Does God exist? (4 Viewers)

[SylviaB]

 

[nitto]

can u give me a quote

In his treatise History of Animals/ Περί ζῴων ἱστορίαι, Aristotle found and described the “primordial heart/ καὶ ὅσον στιγμὴ αἱματίνη ἐν τῷ λευκῷ ἡ καρδία” that “leaps and moves/ πηδᾷ καὶ κινεῖται” at the end of the “the third day/ τριῶν ἡμερῶν καὶ νυκτῶν παρελθουσῶν” of chick incubation; Aristotle continues his description saying that “two twined veins containing blood/ δύο πόροι φλεβικοὶ ἔναιμοι ἑλισσόμενοι bring blood to each of the two chambers… - Ταῖς μὲν οὖν ἀλεκτορίσι τριῶν ἡμερῶν καὶ νυκτῶν παρελθουσῶν … καὶ ὅσον στιγμὴ αἱματίνη ἐν τῷ λευκῷ ἡ καρδία. Τοῦτο δὲ τὸ σημεῖον πηδᾷ καὶ κινεῖται ὥσπερ ἔμψυχον, καὶ ἀπ' αὐτοῦ δύο πόροι φλεβικοὶ ἔναιμοι ἑλισσόμενοι φέρουσιν αὐξανομένου εἰς ἑκάτερον τῶν χιτώνων τῶν περιεχόντων.… (Aristotle's History of Animals/ Περί ζῴων ἱστορίαι, book 6, part 3). Aristotle considered the starting point of life, the embryonic heart.

“For the first principle of the movement… whereby that which comes into being is male, is better and more divine than the material whereby it is female."

while he's incorrect in saying the embryo is a coagulation of blood, he's from 300 BCE so the argument that "how could these ancient people have known? it was revealed to them" did not begin with them

 

[theaeneid]

"The World Water Council, gives this description of the importance of water for life:
"Water is life. All living organisms are predominantly made of water: human beings about 60%, fish about 80%, plants between 80% and 90%. "

"we made from water every living thing" doesn't prove any of that, let alone those statistics

 

[nitto]

"The World Water Council, gives this description of the importance of water for life:
"Water is life. All living organisms are predominantly made of water: human beings about 60%, fish about 80%, plants between 80% and 90%. "

ok, but humans being made of water isn't anything new. after looking it up, thales and aristotle knew about it too

 

[its_ace21]

"we made from water every living thing" doesn't prove any of that, let alone those statistics

the verse is saying every living thing has water, and the other quote by the world water council is saying "all living organisms are predominantly made of water", and the statistics is just examples. Its not hard to understand

ok, but humans being made of water isn't anything new. after looking it up, thales and aristotle knew about it too

ok, what about the others? I was just using it as an example plus theres way more verses but i obv cant quote them

 

[nitto]

the verse is saying every living thing has water, and the other quote by the world water council is saying "all living organisms are predominantly made of water", and the statistics is just examples. Its not hard to understand


ok, what about the others? I was just using it as an example plus theres way more verses but i obv cant quote them

i referenced a few of them, any in mind? what of my other point where i gave proof of embryology being a thing since ancient greece?

 

[Squar3root]

yes

lets take the Quran for example. The quran proved sooo many things before science did. Are you going to believe?

Ngl that's actually a really good point. Ofc an all knowing God would know that cos he created it (I guess)?

But then again as per below, a lot of it is either disproved, blatantly wrong or has come up before with other civilisations

 

[Squar3root]

Is it possible to find a flaw in this

 

[Squar3root]

More of a personal question @nitto @its_ace21, would U believe in a religion if U were not brought up with it? Would U have the same beliefs? What got U into religion? Was it family or something you found on your own

 

[nzs]

can one of you guys be my studies of religion tutor, please I'm failing guys

 

[nitroexcalibur]

More of a personal question @nitto @its_ace21, would U believe in a religion if U were not brought up with it? Would U have the same beliefs? What got U into religion? Was it family or something you found on your own

im atheist but good question nonetheless; I was actually brought up in a muslim family. i think its a combination of being brought up with scientific interest that sorta made me challenge a lot of the ideals. i respect people’s individual beliefs nonetheless and i wouldn’t attack people based on their own values, that being said i will point out fallacies and inconsistencies.

 

[Squar3root]

im atheist but good question nonetheless; I was actually brought up in a muslim family. i think its a combination of being brought up with scientific interest that sorta made me challenge a lot of the ideals. i respect people’s individual beliefs nonetheless and i wouldn’t attack people based on their own values, that being said i will point out fallacies and inconsistencies.

I think I'm the same as you and need facts to believe something as opposed to faith. But I can see religion as 'hope' for some people so I don't wanna tell em ur wrong but if they start saying some nonsense like ur broke and sick cos it's God's plan then I'll give it to them.

I see on Reddit people who do something similar are disowned/segregated from their family because they don't believe the same thing anymore. It's sad :/

 

[HazzRat]

 

[HazzRat]

Also if anyone has the time, this video has a solid theory that all religion is just agricultural astrology taken too literally.

 

[SylviaB]

Happy birthday to the birthday boy!

 

[cosmo 2]

hb

 

[Canoeboat]

ion know bru, i aint readin all that

 

[SylviaB]

ion know bru, i aint readin all that

LMAO BRO REALLY SAID "i aint readin all that" thats CRAZY

 

[Atheist/agnostic slayer]

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Is it possible to find a flaw in this

Yes lol this is horrible. Epicurus had many many flawed beliefs, like for instance holding to the position contrary to Aristotle's nicomachean ethics that pleasure, despite consequences of the preceding actions to reach pleasure, is the ultimate good and desire for all humankind. He even opposed all formulations of teleology and instead was a mechanist, essentially meaning that everything that is in motion or filled with potential i.e everything natural and existing within the universe can always be explained by essential universals and empiricism like sciences such as physics. This is because he adopted a deistic, pagan multi-deity worldview. Obviously this is just wrong and it's formulated so horribly it makes me think epicurus was very ignorant or not classic by any means.

The question "Why is there evil"can be broken down and actually answered via reductio ad absurdum, meaning supposing the other side that evil would not exist.

Suppose there was an absence of evil everything must possess the quality of perfection, ergo, for all agents X that possess perfection do not possess the quality to be a human as agent predicates agency which implicates free will. Free will entails self determined action indifferent to any extrinsic action to conform your agency to the object of the extrinsic action. Once again, having the capacity to act and then not acting does not align with the predicate of choosing inaction.

The question "Could God have created a universe with free-will but without evil is a nonsensical question and is self refuting, can a circle be a square? If evil is a consequence and mode of signification for free will it's an essential universal and necessity for free will, in so far as it assumes the position of the negation of Option A, that being Option B.

Epicurean stupidity and ignorance. Try again please with new arguments that haven't been refuted for more than 2000 years.

 

[Atheist/agnostic slayer]

God does not exist cos there is no god

Self refuting.