Does school affect your UAI? (2 Viewers)

[x.Exhaust.x]

Does going to a certain type of school affect your UAI? In what ways would it affect your UAI mark? Well I go to a non-selective/non-private school and I'm wondering if it actually does affect your UAI such as getting scaled down etc. Or is it mainly effort and hard work? I've heard some public schools have attained a UAI of 100 such as Cherrybrook Tech. But what are the chances?

And if the school such as a public high school which I go to actually did affect your UAI, is it worth trying out for a selective school for year 12 just to get a better UAI and get say 'scaled up'? Or it isn't worth it?

If there is a different thread relating to the topic, could anyone post it up on this thread?

Thank you. :wave:

 

[Aplus]

You probably get scaled up more if you go to a highly ranked school.

 

[Knowingnothing]

According to what I've been told, your mean mark, the type of school and the amount of people at that school all do have an affect on your UAI.

Our school for instance does usually get a small UAI boost because of the amount of people and the people we have at our school.

Certain schools will have certain results.

 

[zy]

no.

 

[x.Exhaust.x]

no.

Ok, well I go to a public school and as I was saying, is there any point in trying for a selective school in year 12 just to get scaled up? And why?

 

[Kujah]

To an extent, but not that much. I'm not sure whether or not that applies to the UAI or your actual HSC marks.

 

[watatank]

don't move schools. it's not worth adapting to a new environment at this stage and besides there's no guarantee you will be able to do the subjects you are doing. on that alone don't move schools.

the school you go to doesn't matter. selective schools tend to go better because they set harder tests and they have better students. but if you're good you're still going to get a good uai.

 

[x.Exhaust.x]

To an extent, but not that much. I'm not sure whether or not that applies to the UAI or your actual HSC marks.

Yeah same I'm not sure either....<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

don't move schools. it's not worth adapting to a new environment at this stage and besides there's no guarantee you will be able to do the subjects you are doing. on that alone don't move schools.

the school you go to doesn't matter. selective schools tend to go better because they set harder tests and they have better students. but if you're good you're still going to get a good uai.

If they set harder tests, they get better results? You mean the other way around...But thx 4 the advice.

 

[763259826t35647]

Ideally there is no effect. The only differences between schools are for the internal results (50% of hsc), whereas whatever mark each student from whatever school gets in each subject in the final hsc (the other 50%) is unaffected by public/private/selective school or whatever else.

Then for the first 50% of hsc mark, the internal, the results at school are moderated based on the external test results in each subject. As the private and selective schools generally do a lot better in the hsc external, the internal marks for each of there students get moderated much better.

e.g) Brad from James Ruse gets 78/100 for his internal, which is the middle rank at the school. In the external hsc, the middle mark for James Ruse student is 92/100 and Brad gets 90.

Therefore Brad gets 92 for internal, 90 for external, 91 overall mark.

Compare this to a lower ranked public school.

e.g)2) Jesse gets 94/100 for internal, top mark, in the external hsc the highest mark is 92, and jesse gets 90.

Therefore Jesse gets 92 internal, 90 external, 91 overall mark.

O.k, so even though Brad gets heaps worse internal, because his school is so much more competitive, his internal gets moderated up. UAC use the performances of the cohort for each school in each subject, to determine how they are moderates, to give them a fair mark for their internal results.

The reason why school has no affect, or should have no effect, is that competitive schools that get awesome marks for hsc, are generally set harder tests and marked harder for their school results, and thus deserve better internal marks.

So yeah, dont know if i explained it right, but basically students, regardless of school, should get the same uai for equal performance, as the students in lower ranked schools generally get higher marks for internal relative to external as they find the internal easy, and get moderated down, whereas students in competitive schools get lower marks for internal relative to external as they are set harder, and thus get moderated up.

Don't switch schools, the system is designed to atleast try and be fair and equitable for all students.

 

[x.Exhaust.x]

Ideally there is no effect. The only differences between schools are for the internal results (50% of hsc), whereas whatever mark each student from whatever school gets in each subject in the final hsc (the other 50%) is unaffected by public/private/selective school or whatever else.

Then for the first 50% of hsc mark, the internal, the results at school are moderated based on the external test results in each subject. As the private and selective schools generally do a lot better in the hsc external, the internal marks for each of there students get moderated much better.

e.g) Brad from James Ruse gets 78/100 for his internal, which is the middle rank at the school. In the external hsc, the middle mark for James Ruse student is 92/100 and Brad gets 90.

Therefore Brad gets 92 for internal, 90 for external, 91 overall mark.

Compare this to a lower ranked public school.

e.g)2) Jesse gets 94/100 for internal, top mark, in the external hsc the highest mark is 92, and jesse gets 90.

Therefore Jesse gets 92 internal, 90 external, 91 overall mark.

O.k, so even though Brad gets heaps worse internal, because his school is so much more competitive, his internal gets moderated up. UAC use the performances of the cohort for each school in each subject, to determine how they are moderates, to give them a fair mark for their internal results.

The reason why school has no affect, or should have no effect, is that competitive schools that get awesome marks for hsc, are generally set harder tests and marked harder for their school results, and thus deserve better internal marks.

So yeah, dont know if i explained it right, but basically students, regardless of school, should get the same uai for equal performance, as the students in lower ranked schools generally get higher marks for internal relative to external as they find the internal easy, and get moderated down, whereas students in competitive schools get lower marks for internal relative to external as they are set harder, and thus get moderated up.

Don't switch schools, the system is designed to atleast try and be fair and equitable for all students.

Wow thx a lot for that huge reply 763259826t35647. It helped quite a lot and yes, you did explain it right. Thanks again.

 

[Shadose]

Ideally there is no effect. The only differences between schools are for the internal results (50% of hsc), whereas whatever mark each student from whatever school gets in each subject in the final hsc (the other 50%) is unaffected by public/private/selective school or whatever else.

Then for the first 50% of hsc mark, the internal, the results at school are moderated based on the external test results in each subject. As the private and selective schools generally do a lot better in the hsc external, the internal marks for each of there students get moderated much better.

e.g) Brad from James Ruse gets 78/100 for his internal, which is the middle rank at the school. In the external hsc, the middle mark for James Ruse student is 92/100 and Brad gets 90.

Therefore Brad gets 92 for internal, 90 for external, 91 overall mark.

Compare this to a lower ranked public school.

e.g)2) Jesse gets 94/100 for internal, top mark, in the external hsc the highest mark is 92, and jesse gets 90.

Therefore Jesse gets 92 internal, 90 external, 91 overall mark.

O.k, so even though Brad gets heaps worse internal, because his school is so much more competitive, his internal gets moderated up. UAC use the performances of the cohort for each school in each subject, to determine how they are moderates, to give them a fair mark for their internal results.

The reason why school has no affect, or should have no effect, is that competitive schools that get awesome marks for hsc, are generally set harder tests and marked harder for their school results, and thus deserve better internal marks.

So yeah, dont know if i explained it right, but basically students, regardless of school, should get the same uai for equal performance, as the students in lower ranked schools generally get higher marks for internal relative to external as they find the internal easy, and get moderated down, whereas students in competitive schools get lower marks for internal relative to external as they are set harder, and thus get moderated up.

Don't switch schools, the system is designed to atleast try and be fair and equitable for all students.

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Could you also explain why my teacher told us that assessment mark doesn't matter, only if you consistantly get high marks?

For example, Bob gets 56% in his assessment mark, and Michelle gets 94% and ranks one for her assessment mark, and they both go in the same school. However, Bob does extremely well in his external and ranks one in it, he then takes the assessment mark of Michelle. And Michelle's external results were about in the middle, so she gets the assessment mark of the person who is around the middle.

This is weird...

What do you guys think?

 

[Kujah]

Another reason that you shouldn't move is the turmoil that will derive from it. Making new friendships, getting to know new people and rules, building new relationships etc etc might deter you from moving.

As of the UAI thing, it is something out of your hands. Don't contemplate that and scaling and just get good ranks and marks. Do well in the externals as well

 

[Kujah]

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Could you also explain why my teacher told us that assessment mark doesn't matter, only if you consistantly get high marks?

For example, Bob gets 56% in his assessment mark, and Michelle gets 94% and ranks one for her assessment mark, and they both go in the same school. However, Bob does extremely well in his external and ranks one in it, he then takes the assessment mark of Michelle. And Michelle's external results were about in the middle, so she gets the assessment mark of the person who is around the middle.

This is weird...

What do you guys think?

http://community.boredofstudies.org...na/6642/explanation-hsc-marks-moderating.html

 

[watatank]

you need an understanding of how the hsc marks are allocated. first you do your exams and your school sends in ranks and marks. since the level of difficulty is so different across schools across the state these marks are essentially meaningless unless everyone does the same test. the external exam you do at the end of the year is obviously that test.

bos look at the performance in the exam of students in a school and the performance in internal exams. here's where moderation comes in. if students (at a school on a whole) go comparatively better than their internal it means they were set hard tests and so their school mark given will be moderated up. conversely if there was a comparatively poor performance then their school was set easy tests everyone gets moderated down.

how much you get moderated depends on performance in exam but the only thing that doesn't change is your ranks. so the higher you finish the better for you. if you come first or at least the higher part the better chance you have of maximising your mark. if you're in the middle or toward the bottom you're relying on your school mates to help you.

If they set harder tests, they get better results? You mean the other way around...But thx 4 the advice.

when i say they get better results it's because they are of a higher ability than your average school and its a competitive environment

setting harder tests prepares students better for the hsc.

 

[watatank]

claps*

Could you also explain why my teacher told us that assessment mark doesn't matter, only if you consistantly get high marks?

For example, Bob gets 56% in his assessment mark, and Michelle gets 94% and ranks one for her assessment mark, and they both go in the same school. However, Bob does extremely well in his external and ranks one in it, he then takes the assessment mark of Michelle. And Michelle's external results were about in the middle, so she gets the assessment mark of the person who is around the middle.

This is weird...

What do you guys think?

that's not fair to michelle who has shown that she is by far the best student. the higher ranked students are protected against stuffing up too badly in the exam. what mark bob gets and michelle gets depends on how everyone else in the class went.

 

[Clifford]

claps*

Could you also explain why my teacher told us that assessment mark doesn't matter, only if you consistantly get high marks?

For example, Bob gets 56% in his assessment mark, and Michelle gets 94% and ranks one for her assessment mark, and they both go in the same school. However, Bob does extremely well in his external and ranks one in it, he then takes the assessment mark of Michelle. And Michelle's external results were about in the middle, so she gets the assessment mark of the person who is around the middle.

This is weird...

What do you guys think?

No, it works in the opposite way. As Michelle has performed more consistently throughout the year, she gets the 1st internal rank. The 1st rank is awarded the HIGHEST EXTERNAL MARK. So, if Bob comes first in the external, Michelle gets Bob's EXTERNAL mark as her assessment mark. Bob, if he was ranked in the middle of his cohort, gets the middle external mark. In this situation, both would turn out with the same HSC mark (assuming the distribution of ranks is accurate).

With numbers:
In a Modern History class of 10 -
Michelle is ranked 1st
Bob is ranked 5th
- Their actual marks do not matter, only the rank and the space between the ranks

In the external:
Michelle - 72% 5th
Bob - 92% 1st

Thus, Michelle assessment mark is 92% and her external is 72%. You always get your external mark, as this doesn't need moderation.
Michelle's HSC mark = the average of her two marks = 82%

Bob however, gets the 5th rank's external mark, that being Michelle's external 72%. His external however, is still his suprising 92%. Thus, Bob gets the same overall HSC mark as Michelle.

On the day results are recieved, Michelle cries her eyes out and Bob thanks the powers of last minute cramming.

 

[dp624]

the environment will impact you, yes
school, probably a bit. much less so if you're ranked very highly

 

[Abdo_1]

nope it doesnt, only in the sense that the better the school, the better youll learn, hence the better you'll do lol

 

[LordPc]

nope it doesnt, only in the sense that the better the school, the better youll learn, hence the better you'll do lol

pretty much this.

but just think. if the smartest person in NSW went to the worst school in NSW, do you think he would get a bad UAI?

once you answer that question, should be obvious how much a school affects you

 

[dp624]

pretty much this.

but just think. if the smartest person in NSW went to the worst school in NSW, do you think he would get a bad UAI?

once you answer that question, should be obvious how much a school affects you

how about a decently smart person in a decent school vs a crap school?