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How marni of you guys are doing postmodernism for ext eng? What texts are u studying?
Also how can you tell if a text is a postmodern text?
 

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eling said:
How marni of you guys are doing postmodernism for ext eng? What texts are u studying?
Also how can you tell if a text is a postmodern text?
hey well i'm doing pomo - did French lieutenants woman, orlando and Dead White Males....ummm i cant say it was any fun but its not that bad either.
How to tell if a text is postmodern - well on the eve of the Ex1 exam thats still a difficult question....basically (and you shouldn't get the hang of this till after probably the second term) if it challenges the traditional ways of thinking and the traditional text - easy way to tell is to look for heaps of parody, intertextuality, bricolage...unorthodoxy with setting and genre and a lot of self reflexivity.... but even then its not necessarily postmodern but if it has all that then it will work for the course. A safe place to start would be with hypertexs - the medium itself kinda pushes the pomo angle....my suggestion would be look at Patchwork girl....brilliantly postmodern in both form and content

and good luck
 
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mozzie said:
hey well i'm doing pomo - did French lieutenants woman, orlando and Dead White Males....ummm i cant say it was any fun but its not that bad either.
How to tell if a text is postmodern - well on the eve of the Ex1 exam thats still a difficult question....basically (and you shouldn't get the hang of this till after probably the second term) if it challenges the traditional ways of thinking and the traditional text - easy way to tell is to look for heaps of parody, intertextuality, bricolage...unorthodoxy with setting and genre and a lot of self reflexivity.... but even then its not necessarily postmodern but if it has all that then it will work for the course. A safe place to start would be with hypertexs - the medium itself kinda pushes the pomo angle....my suggestion would be look at Patchwork girl....brilliantly postmodern in both form and content

and good luck
Do u go my skool? coz we're doing that too
 

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umm pretty much everyone that does pomo, does those texts
there are only 4 texts, some people do...the other novel which name i forget
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doing the same stuff as eling. but its sick that we watch simpsons, southpark and family guy every ext. 1 english lesson now.
 

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i did possession, orlando and dead white males.

really, at this early stage of the course, unless something is excessively post-modern (for example, kill bill vol 1) you might not be able to tell right off the bat. that's ok! nearly everyone i know struggled with post-modernism for a while. as you progress in the course you'll familiarise yourself with what post-modernism is and what it means and it'll get much easier. it's actually a really fun course, i love it.

post-modernism is a really complex thing ultimately (ironic because it's so concerned with surfaces) and it's both a way of constructing a text and a way of thinking about them. however there are a number of features, both stylistic and thematic which you should look out for. i also recommend 'introducing postmodernism' or 'postmodernism: a very short introduction' as a way of easing yourself in.

here are some of its stylistic features:

- intertextuality. ie, it references or appropriates from a variety of sources. a good example of this is the simpsons with episodes like the sherry bobbins one.
- pastiche. this is similar, but it refers to the mixing of genre/style. ie, the kill bill movies are a good example because they mix so many styles/genres together, another example is moulin rouge.
- playfulness. does what you're watching/reading/whatever take itself seriously? or does it contain features such as self-reflextivity etc?

one of the key ideas which post-modernism has bought about and which you have to understand if you want to do well in this module is that there is no such thing as absolute 'truth'. what i mean by this is that the things we consider to be true, ie that there are intrinsic differences between males and females, are what's referred to as constructs. things like the bible, fables and such which say that they contain truths about the world are referred to as 'grand narratives'. one of the key concepts of post-modern texts is that they subvert these 'grand narratives'. instead of saying that there is an intrinsic human nature which dictates the way we act and react, post-modernism suggests that we are constructed by our contexts.

there's a lot more to it, but those are some of the key ideas that should help you develop your understanding. once you feel a little bit more comfortable, i suggest trying to get a hold of the works of derrida, lyotard etc, particularly 'the post-modern condition' by lyotard. don't read them now as you will only confuse yourself further, but wide academic reading will really help you understand and nail this module. : ) it can be a *lot* of fun, particularly with your related material (you can use things like buffy, futurama, moulin rouge...) and even though you're bound to feel really frustrated at first, i promise you that it gets better : )

hope this was helpful : ) good luck!
 

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