Freedom (2 Viewers)

[Enteebee]

Ruby, its a bit rich (if you will) to pull out the North Shore rich boy argument when you and almost everyone posting here is richer than around 99% of the world's population.

(see chadds wealth calculator thingy)

haha we can always question that... I don't know where I'd stand because tbh the poorest members of australian society might be seen as 'better off' than some africans in some tribe that has little technology, but those people might actually be much happier.

 

[Ennaybur]

dan, you and I have never had to worry about not having enough food or a roof over our heads. We have had internet and computers and the resources for school and a stimulating upbringing. Our parents are intelligent and foster that sort of growth.

That's why we can focus on what we want to do and acheive the best we can there. Some people have to juggle even the basics. How can we expect them to be able to acheive even higher to earn the money that will get them out of that?

 

[Snaykew]

"I WORKED HARD FOR MY MONEY. NO ONE CAN TOUCH IT. EVER." arrrh

Hey, you reckon maybe the people in the third world who work 12 hour days in appealing conditions for what is barely a subsistence wage might also work hard.

You are having a laugh if you buy these "a man makes his own luck" hard working, salt of the earth, self made Aussie hero stories.

People are selfish and loss averse and once they have obtained wealth they will make up all sorts of bullshit to justify never parting with the tiniest fraction of it.

My parents are from East Timor, so yes they have worked their way up in the world. They lived for a few years under Indonesian rule and wisely left that genocide.

They used to live in villages in the mountains of East Timor. :3

EDIT: For that matter a lot of my relatives live rather comfortably nowadays in Australia. But as I clarified before, I was saying that the current system in Australia is GOOD.

 

[sam04u]

Bravo comrade zimmerman8k
Bravo comrade Ennaybur
Bravo comrade Slidey
Bravo comrade Enteebee
Bravo comrade Miles Edgeworth

This thread has warmed my heart to you fine people.

 

[Enteebee]

Pretty sure the calculator just coverts to USD and doesn't take into account Purchasing Power Parity (PPP). Its probably quite inflated. Point largely still stands though.

Probably. TBH I think a bigger question for our society is whether we'd actually support say... true programs to fund relief for various countries around the world, eleviating their debt and putting them on a true even playing field with us. Would you really want everyone to have the same opportunity to go for the few jobs which can ensure you a life as good as ours when statistically you'd probably end up being rather poor?

 

[Ennaybur]

The freedom to buy whatever they're addicted to legally or otherwise.



I'm not from North Shore as I don't even live near Sydney. I went to a public high school with a bad reputation. Lol. I have never lived in a upper class area. So go fuck yourself.

Also, I was not advocating the abolishment of socialism in Australia. I was just saying how you CAN work your way up in Australia currently.

I wasn't aiming that at you guy. But even so, we are fortunate no? healthy upbringing and an education (even if it was at a public school!)

 

[Snaykew]

Are you ignoring the fact that I have said the system in Australia is good?

 

[bazookajoe]

Uggh!
Pull, pull
Wuh!
Come on!
Uggh!
Solo, I'm a soloist on a solo list
All live, never on a floppy disk
Inka, inka, bottle of ink
Paintings of rebellion
Drawn up by the thoughts I think

Yeah!
Come on!
The militant poet in once again, check it

It's set up like a deck of cards
They're sending us to early graves
For all the diamonds
They'll use a pair of clubs to beat the spades
With poetry I paint the pictures that hit
More like the murals that fit
Don't turn away
Get in front of it

Brotha, did ya forget ya name?
Did ya lose it on the wall
Playin' tic-tac-toe?

Yo, check the diagonal
Three brothers gone
Come on
Doesn't that make it three in a row?

Anger is a gift

Come on!
Uggh!

Check that!
Uggh!
Come on
Yeah
Uggh

Brotha, did ya forget ya name?
Did ya lose it on the wall
Playin' tic-tac-toe?

Yo, check the diagonal
Three million gone
Come on
'Cause they're counting backwards to zero

Environment
The environment exceeding on the level
Of our unconciousness
For example
What does the billboard say
Come and play, come and play
Forget about the movement

Anger is a gift

Yeeeaaahhhh!
Uggh!
Awww, bring that shit in!
Uggh!
Hey!

Freedom...yea...
Freedom...yea right...
Freedom...yeeeaaahhh!
Freedom!
Yea!
Freedom!
Yea right!
Freedom!
Yea!
Freedom!
Yea!
Right!

 

[Enteebee]

There is not a fixed pool of jobs.

Obviously I'm simplifying the matter... but do you think you'd be in a better or worse off situation if everyone in the world had as great opportunities as you have had?

 

[Ennaybur]

Are you ignoring the fact that I have said the system in Australia is good?

it's more fun that way. Australia is good and the abolishment of welfare system = opmost evil


@dom: you're confusing me tonight

 

[Ennaybur]

I don't know, at one stage I thort u was all 'no everything is for freedom' but then at another one you were all like 'don't be a dickhead welfare is good and we need to restrict some freedums'

 

[Riet]

Gun laws in Australia are stupid and encourage criminality.

 

[Snaykew]

Yes.

it's more fun that way. Australia is good and the abolishment of welfare system = opmost evil

Ok fine. I think everyone else should be poor because I am comfortable. Infact, make me God Emperor of the world so that I may fap to the poverty of everyone else.

 

[Enteebee]

Obviously much better. But see edit.

I think we're always going to need a large pool of cheap labour and that's going to have to come from somewhere... if all else is equal I'd say chances are you're more likely to be the cheap labour than the business owner.

 

[Snaykew]

Robots!

 

[Ennaybur]

Robots!

but would they be free? WHERES THEIR FREEDOM THEN

 

[Enteebee]

Why do we need the sort of cheap labour we currently have. If some of the extreme wealth was not held by a very small amount of people, everyone could probably enjoy a decent wage. Theoretically of course. Not suggestion we should do this or that it is workable.

But theoretically if there was some way to take the billions held by certain people and re-distribute it, no one would have to be extremely poor.

On a global scale when we did such a redistribution, do you think you'd be better or worse off than you are now? I.e. I'm suggesting that every one of us is 'extremely wealthy'.

 

[Ennaybur]

Why do we need the sort of cheap labour we currently have. If some of the extreme wealth was not held by a very small amount of people, everyone could probably enjoy a decent wage. Theoretically of course. Not suggestion we should do this or that it is workable.

But theoretically if there was some way to take the billions held by certain people and re-distribute it, no one would have to be extremely poor.

I'm an advocate of some freedom fighting. In?

 

[Snaykew]

but would they be free? WHERES THEIR FREEDOM THEN

Too bad.

 

[Ennaybur]

Too bad.

see! i knew you were fascist neocon liberal scum.

That's what hitler said.