general UNSW chit-chat (5 Viewers)

[Charizard]

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Don't even get started.

we've all seen photos of you. If i was you i would have killed myself by now.

 

[-Anfernee-]

fuck you're a tool. who the fuck are you?

I'm the guy who does his job, who the fuck are you ?


Stop trolling.

 

[Forbidden.]

Don't even get started.

we've all seen photos of you. If i was you i would have killed myself by now.

I survived.

 

[Conspirocy]

This isn't even entertaining. It's just sad. Stop it.

 

[Forbidden.]

I wonder what Semester 2 O-week would be like.

 

[-Anfernee-]

Do you think it will be as big as semester 1 O -week?

 

[Charizard]

I survived.

you seem to have a knack for failing.

 

[Forbidden.]

Do you think it will be as big as semester 1 O -week?

Nope, I need to attend some safety or precautionary thing for materials but don't know exactly when.
I also doubt Semester 2 O-week will be as big at all.

you seem to have a knack for failing.

HeLLo, iF yOU cAn JoIn tHe CHanNeL #ban aT irc.myg0t.com WiThOuT BeINg BaNNeD CoMe BaCK oTHERwISE LOL

 

[uhawww]

I wonder what Semester 2 O-week would be like.

it's not o-week like the start of year o-week

it's just week 0 where some students have some classes (ie: COFA)


i asked arc earlier today

 

[Curry]

OMFG. How did I miss this? Best thread ever.

The only person I really hate is Forbidden. He is a faggot and I agree he should kill himself.

 

[Hakz]

Politik, i think uow I.T is the best choice, not because i attend it. I have been told by international students that uow was recommended to them. Also i spoke with my course coordinator and she said the difference with uow is that we teach more up-to-date stuff which is in need by industry unlike many unis. She also stated that there is too much programmers out there, so there is more need for business minded technologist, as uow's IT degree is based on.

But Comp engineering is different to IT, maybe programming is the same but other then that both are totally different degrees.

 

[Charizard]

When you've attained more than a semester's worth of University study you'll know that Economics is a humanities specialisation. UNSW is one of the few universities around that offers a straight BEc, most overseas institutions offer Economics as a program within a BArts. A BArts is a prestigious qualification - despite its low UAI and pitiful funding at UNSW.

i'll say it again. When you bash commerce or whatever flavour of the month course that you have just transferred from, you do so with blanket statements for the degree. Yet you always seem reference only UNSW as if this is the only place the degree's are taught. Just because it is shit at your uni doesn't necessarily mean it's the same ta other university's.

Really? Is that why Pure Mathematics students are filling spots reserved for Finance Graduands, Actuarial Graduands, and general Commerce grads? I think superior knowledge in the sciences is better than memorising precise theorems (as is the case in BComm).

Finance is only one major from a choice of many, it does not equal the whole course. I can't imagine to many maths graduates are taking commerce jobs in areas of marketing, management, HR, commercial law, some areas of economics, and any other major i cbf thinking of atm.

Why? Because a year out from your degree, new methodologies will prop up. The Australian School of Business doesn't prepare you to tackle upcoming algorithms, it trains you in current ones. The reason why an Engineering degree in Computing at UNSW is much more highly valued than an IT degree from UTS is because the UNSW Engineering faculty trains students in general skills and problem-solving logic. They cannot predict what technologies will prop up tomorrow, and hence ensure students are well prepared for what will change, not what is currently the norm.

Comparing engineering to commerce in those areas doesn't really seem logical. You could also make a case that a focus on general problem skills and problem solving may help some students in the longer term, although fresh from graduating they will be at a disadvantage to those graduates with teaching on the current way of doing things. That may change in the future sure, but it has done so for what? years and years, and yet graduates have adapted without these specially focused course structures on 'problem solving' and the like.

'Better' meaning those with higher UAI scores? The HSC proves nothing about a students talent - it rewards those with proficiency in retaining information at examination time, nothing more. That's why faculties now evaluate other facets of a student to determine proficiency.

Sounds like what the kids who got low uai's used to say. The system isn't perfect, but i don't know anyone who i would consider to be an intelligent person who didn't get a relatively high uai, or many who were rather dull that got high uai's.

To be honest the rote learn method used by most successful students in the HSC can just as easily be applied to some university courses to get a decent mark. Where do you draw the line as to what constitutes talent ?

 

[Hakz]

UOW is a very well renowned university - I know little about its IT degree. But what's the point in learning programming, when you can learn how to be an engineer? UNSW doesn't bother with learning certain languages or straight programming - anyone can program. It teaches you to concoct solutions to problems - any Turing-complete language is fine.

My example references UTS, as it teaches its students straight 'programming'.

Ye true, i would hate it if my degree just consisted of straight programming, even though i study info tech i wouldn't want a career in programming.

Sounds like what the kids who got low uai's used to say. The system isn't perfect, but i don't know anyone who i would consider to be an intelligent person who didn't get a relatively high uai, or many who were rather dull that got high uai's.

To be honest the rote learn method used by most successful students in the HSC can just as easily be applied to some university courses to get a decent mark. Where do you draw the line as to what constitutes talent ?.

I dont agree with the 'high uai' = smart. I know many people with low uai's that got into uni and are very very good at it. So i reckon it is the performance at uni that reflects intelligence, not high school. But also i personally see anyone that finishes uni to be intelligent , its not easy surviving uni.

Also Charizard do u go to uni? your info says ur hsc is 2008?

 

[Conspirocy]

I'm really sick of the whole engineering v commerce argument that keeps happening. The only reason it happens is because most of the commerce people got higher UAI's and so they think they are smarter. Engineers on the other hand think that they have to do more work at uni and that they have a harder course. Then you add the fact that some people with extremely high UAI’s go into engineering, and you have enough ego for a continual argument about what degree is better.

The fact is engineering is probably one of the easiest degrees to get into at uni, however it is one of the hardest to complete.

Another way to think about it is like this, who wants to hire an engineer with a pass to credit average? I would say not a lot of people. However, with commerce, if you have passes and credits you can easily get a job if you have chosen the right major. So this is another reason that one could argue as to why engineering is “harder”.

On the other hand, engineers go way too far. If engineering was the be all and end all, then why do we even bother teaching anything else? Why do commerce people even have jobs? What use are they? Fact is there is also a need for commerce, and there is a need for people with skills in accounting, economics, finance, marketing, human resources, etc.

Realistically while some engineers do get hired in a few of these areas, they are a minority in these fields. The bulk of hiring in these commerce areas are from commerce courses. It’s like me saying, I got a grad job at BHP with a commerce degree so I’m smarter than engineers because I work at a mining company. That logic is stupid. So too is the argument that I got graduate job at Macquarie bank with an engineering degree so I’m smarter than commerce students. It just doesn’t add up.

Overall, in my view, if you want to see whether a degree is a waste of time or not, there is an easy test. Just ask yourself, ‘will this degree get me paid for the rest of my working life?’ If yes then you are sweet. If no, you probably do ARTS

 

[-Anfernee-]

You can't seem to follow a straight thread of consciousness - your argument is filled with errors and the little you can argue comes to down erroneous comment as bolded.

Computer Science has little to do with keyboards - proving that you're an ignorant fuck. I'll be able to make headway into fields as innovative as AI, Parallel Computing, Cluster Congruence, etc - you'll be fiddling with Bank Reconciliation forms and a faux form of Psychology coined 'Management Accounting'.

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I don't think you would be so cavalier about bashing the Commerce degree if you had been able to get into it in the first place. The thing is, the Economics degree at UNSW is used as a stepping stone for most students that didn't meet the cut-off for Commerce.That is, students transfer out of Economics into Commerce if they are elgible and not the other way around. Are you seriously trying to imply that people would choose it ahead of Commerce had they had that luxury of choice? I don't think so.




Well, I guess you have put forward some decent arguments about why you want to do Computer Engineering and it's quite obvious that you are fiercely passionate about it as you are vehemtly blind to logical reasoning at times. You should be happy with your choice and not put other people and their degrees down because of it. There's really no need for that, it's just very juvenile and childish.

 

[Charizard]

I'm really sick of the whole engineering v commerce argument that keeps happening. The only reason it happens is because most of the commerce people got higher UAI's and so they think they are smarter. Engineers on the other hand think that they have to do more work at uni and that they have a harder course. Then you add the fact that some people with extremely high UAI’s go into engineering, and you have enough ego for a continual argument about what degree is better.

The fact is engineering is probably one of the easiest degrees to get into at uni, however it is one of the hardest to complete.

Another way to think about it is like this, who wants to hire an engineer with a pass to credit average? I would say not a lot of people. However, with commerce, if you have passes and credits you can easily get a job if you have chosen the right major. So this is another reason that one could argue as to why engineering is “harder”.

On the other hand, engineers go way too far. If engineering was the be all and end all, then why do we even bother teaching anything else? Why do commerce people even have jobs? What use are they? Fact is there is also a need for commerce, and there is a need for people with skills in accounting, economics, finance, marketing, human resources, etc.

Realistically while some engineers do get hired in a few of these areas, they are a minority in these fields. The bulk of hiring in these commerce areas are from commerce courses. It’s like me saying, I got a grad job at BHP with a commerce degree so I’m smarter than engineers because I work at a mining company. That logic is stupid. So too is the argument that I got graduate job at Macquarie bank with an engineering degree so I’m smarter than commerce students. It just doesn’t add up.

Overall, in my view, if you want to see whether a degree is a waste of time or not, there is an easy test. Just ask yourself, ‘will this degree get me paid for the rest of my working life?’ If yes then you are sweet. If no, you probably do ARTS

Great post.

 

[Hakz]

I'm really sick of the whole engineering v commerce argument that keeps happening. The only reason it happens is because most of the commerce people got higher UAI's and so they think they are smarter. Engineers on the other hand think that they have to do more work at uni and that they have a harder course. Then you add the fact that some people with extremely high UAI’s go into engineering, and you have enough ego for a continual argument about what degree is better.

The fact is engineering is probably one of the easiest degrees to get into at uni, however it is one of the hardest to complete.

Another way to think about it is like this, who wants to hire an engineer with a pass to credit average? I would say not a lot of people. However, with commerce, if you have passes and credits you can easily get a job if you have chosen the right major. So this is another reason that one could argue as to why engineering is “harder”.

On the other hand, engineers go way too far. If engineering was the be all and end all, then why do we even bother teaching anything else? Why do commerce people even have jobs? What use are they? Fact is there is also a need for commerce, and there is a need for people with skills in accounting, economics, finance, marketing, human resources, etc.

Realistically while some engineers do get hired in a few of these areas, they are a minority in these fields. The bulk of hiring in these commerce areas are from commerce courses. It’s like me saying, I got a grad job at BHP with a commerce degree so I’m smarter than engineers because I work at a mining company. That logic is stupid. So too is the argument that I got graduate job at Macquarie bank with an engineering degree so I’m smarter than commerce students. It just doesn’t add up.

Overall, in my view, if you want to see whether a degree is a waste of time or not, there is an easy test. Just ask yourself, ‘will this degree get me paid for the rest of my working life?’ If yes then you are sweet. If no, you probably do ARTS

Well getting into engineering is easy yes, due to no one wanting to study it (skills shortage). This is the same with Info tech, we only have like 80 people in our class for this year and its easy to get in, else my course would be cancelled by now , i must thank those international students for filling in the places.
If you finish an engineering degree or are close enough to finishing it you can easily find a job, depending on major though. For example civil engineering would be the best choice now, getting a job is easy and they dont even require a uni degree for a 60k+ job (1st hand experience from my civil brother)
The way see it here is that people with passes for commerce wont get a job easily and rather students with passes in engineering will get a job easily, it all depends on the industry need and right now engineering has the upper hand. A friend of mine with just P's got a civil cadet ship straight away after his first year.

Also no degree is a waste, neither engineering nor commerce, but engineering is more difficult no doubt.

 

[Forbidden.]

I'm going to jump off one flight of stairs on the main walkway for the lulz.
Will place on YouTube if filmed.

 

[Conspirocy]

we put a flag on top of the library at the end of last session and someone took photos

 

[Forbidden.]

we put a flag on top of the library at the end of last session and someone took photos

From O-Week, one of the yellow shirts told us that a cow was deliberately placed on top of the building with a sundial on it.
Strange.