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[abdooooo!!!]

Originally posted by mazza_728
they should test everyone based on general knowledge/common sense!

general ability test? use to do that for selective school...

 

[ameh]

pity i didnt hav much sense in yr6

 

[Sarahj]

There's one very simple reason English is required. It is because most university and TAFE degrees require a pass in English. At least, that's what I gathered from the 'Job Guide' and other material we were given at the end of year 10.

 

[KeypadSDM]

Originally posted by abdooooo!!!
umm... me thinks all the courses in hsc are english now except for math... maybe they'll change that as well.

They've got some essays on the life and works of the Pharaoh's mathamaticians, and Pythagorus too.

 

[mazza_728]

are u serious! life is screwed.

Keypad did u meet Cro_angel?? or is that a super position of fotos?? mmm worrying

 

[Xayma]

She met him at a party.

 

[snapperhead]

*wading into the debate without having read all 13 pages*
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't English the only compulsory for*ALL* uni courses? (hence the boohaha about O/S students and medicine)
+ when you are at uni, most if not all of your assessments require the English skills that you have learnt at HSC level.
yes, I agree that the content is abit on the "ho-hum" side but then, you can say this for ALL HSC subjects. What is important are the skills........ and yes, English skills are more than important in the practical subjects. How do you think peoples work and research get published? Not through a bunch of numbers but as complex reports that aim to prove or show or argue a point of view! Sound familiar to the HSC sciences??

Just my 2 cents worth.....

 

[KeypadSDM]

Originally posted by snapperhead
Just my 2 cents worth.....

It's a good 2 cents, but the flaw is that an EXTREME level of English is not required to write a coherent essay/paper/sentence/paragraph.

 

[snapperhead]

I don't know....have you ever read a published report for eg someones masters or doctorate?
I would classify a 20,000 to 100,000 word report or thesis an extreme level of English......... especially of its ones "life's' work!"
Might mention this concept to my brother in law who has just finished a 60,000 "worder" for Monash in Computer Science.. he'll laugh at the notion!
Oh well, you will find out at Uni I guess........

 

[ND]

That fact is that people don't take up science to learn how to construct an argument, they take it up cos the wanna learn science...

 

[AsyLum]

bah
this is useless the facts are being mixed and muddled

 

[snapperhead]

Originally posted by ND
That fact is that people don't take up science to learn how to construct an argument, they take it up cos the wanna learn science...

but isnt science about testing arguments and constructing your own argument?

ie proving/disproving/expanding the many scientific theories out there??

I would have thought *one* of the ultimate goals of science was to discover *something* ie prove your argument! (isnt this also known as an hypothesis...sorry my HSC physics and chemistry is a little rusty)

(BTW:could not the same could be said for applied or pure maths as well)

I dont know.........maybe my idea of science (ie not HSC scientific "theory") is different to yours..............

 

[Constip8edSkunk]

testing/(dis)proving/constructing arguments does not equal to regurgitating to a specific reproduced formula, of which 95% of the time are without actual comprehension of the scenario or solid knowledge base.

 

[snapperhead]

Originally posted by Constip8edSkunk
testing/(dis)proving/constructing arguments does not equal to regurgitating to a specific reproduced formula, of which 95% of the time are without actual comprehension of the scenario or solid knowledge base.

hence the importance of where things have come from ie an understanding and appreciation of the "history" (ie the where, why and most importantly, the how- which is turn ties back into the proving/disproving and constructing a valid argument as central to the *real* (not HSC) scientific process) which cannot come about without real "English skills" (getting back to the original idea of this thread.

Point in case is what you wrote! (doesnt really make sense therefore your argument is automatically flawed!!)
LOL

 

[sylvia87]

i didnt try as hard as i should in yr 11.. do you fink it be an affect to my hsc marks?

 

[Xayma]

in yr 11 you just need to understand the concepts, the HSC is a whole new course