help on UWS (2 Viewers)

melsc · Aug 12, 2008

No idea, think its ok, there are heaps of commerce students but as I said you'd have to ask someone who does it.

runnable · Aug 12, 2008

UWS' reputation is pretty bad. Students at our school use it as a standing joke of a crap uni if we fail our HSC.

Nasty.

Wassup? · Aug 12, 2008

melsc said:
No idea, think its ok, there are heaps of commerce students but as I said you'd have to ask someone who does it.

Yep, fair enough.

So, bottom line: UWS is crap.

Yes?

wixxy2348 · Aug 12, 2008

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Wassup? said:
But why are the points I made incorrect?

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Gavvvvvin said:
<o></o>You're a deadset idiot.

<o></o><o></o>It’s a proven fact that deadset idiots can’t make points that are correct (Gavvvvvin, 2008). Thus, the points you made are incorrect.
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Wassup? said:
<o></o>If you get a band 5/6 for legal or business, you should be awarded with 10 extra UAI points.

<o></o><o></o>No, actually, no bonus points are offered for high achievement in business. Thus your point is incorrect.

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Wassup? said:
<o></o>UWS is infamous for letting in people who are well below the cutoff.

<o></o><o></o>Yes it’s called a bonus Point scheme. Similar to that of UTS and UNSW. omGOSH UTS and UNSW are infamous for letting in people who are below the cutoff?? Wow, this clearly makes UWS inferior.
<o></o>/sarcasm

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Melsc said:
<o></o>What research have you done to conclude its terrible? I've been there, its not the best uni out there but you learn the same stuff, use the same books...all it lacks is the prestige. You cant tell me your "research" is better than my experience being at both UWS and MQ pkus all the "research" I did when I was your age. In some areas of law like the practical elements of the course is heaps better at UWS. I'm sorry but reading others opinons does not compare to personal experience esp when so many people mouth off like you when all they have heard is their parents and other people who know nothing about UWS bag it out.

<o></o><o></o>Melsc’s post just speaks for itself.
<o></o><o></o>Thus it is apparent that you are, in fact, a deadest idiot, and as a result of this, your points are incorrect.

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runnable · Aug 12, 2008

wixxy2348 said:

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<o></o><o></o>Yes it’s called a bonus Point scheme. Similar to that of UTS and UNSW. omGOSH UTS and UNSW are infamous for letting in people who are below the cutoff?? Wow, this clearly makes UWS inferior.
<o></o>/sarcasm

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Hey, but TEN points for band 5/6 in a single subject? UNSW and UTS gives about 1 for Band 5, 2 for Band 6 in a subject and gives to a maximum of 5.

Seems like UWS is desperate for students if you ask me. With low cut-off and entry schemes giving 10 UAI points.

Wassup? · Aug 12, 2008

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<O></O><O></O>No, actually, no bonus points are offered for high achievement in business. Thus your point is incorrect.

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<O></O><O></O>Yes it’s called a bonus Point scheme. Similar to that of UTS and UNSW. omGOSH UTS and UNSW are infamous for letting in people who are below the cutoff?? Wow, this clearly makes UWS inferior.
<O></O>/sarcasm

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<O></O><O></O>Melsc’s post just speaks for itself.
<O></O><O></O>Thus it is apparent that you are, in fact, a deadest idiot, and as a result of this, your points are incorrect.

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Ok, I'll answer each of your points, but without the quoting system, because I don't know how to use it.

1) For all we know, Gavvvv(vvvv)in is some bum who busks at Town Hall for a scrap.

2) Fair eough, I was misinformed about Business studies, although I was aware of Legal Studies.

3) Sweet heart, ask anyone who goes to UWS, and they'll tell you that even without bonus point schemes for high achievement, UWS will still grant you entry if you fall well below the cut-off. This is especially true during their second intake of students.

4) Melsc's points are important, as are mine. Just because she has been to the University, doesn't mean she is more knowledgeable on the subject.

An astronaut who has been to Space doesn't necessarily know more about space than a person who has never set foot out of Earth.

justanotherposter · Aug 12, 2008

Wassup? said:
I'm in just as much of a position to make a judgement about the university than you are.

that sentence makes no sense.
I'm assuming that you are trying to communicate that you are in the same position as an ex-student when judging an uni?
you are an a-grade idiot.

runnable · Aug 12, 2008

zimmerman8k said:
Realistically you can probably get in with around 85, they like to inflate the cut offs to seem more prestigious. I do Economics/Law at UWS and imo these are the good and bad things about the uni:

Classic case of the bad far outweighting the good.

Wassup? · Aug 12, 2008

Rageeb said:
that sentence makes no sense.
I'm assuming that you are trying to communicate that you are in the same position as an ex-student when judging an uni?
you are an a-grade idiot.

Mate, I'm sorry if that sentence doesn't make sense to you, but I'm pretty sure it's gramatically correct.

And to answer the second part of your question, yes, I do think I'm in the same position to judge a Uni, and my opinion is just as important and just as valuable as an ex-student's opinion.

Refer to the Space example I gave above.

Wassup? · Aug 12, 2008

zimmerman8k said:
Only if you add up all the dot points and consider them to be of exactly equal significance. Imo the quality of the course is most important.

Yes, and I agree, but how would the quality of the course help you when you can't find employment because of the stigma attached to UWS?

justanotherposter · Aug 12, 2008

Wassup? said:
Mate, I'm sorry if that sentence doesn't make sense to you, but I'm pretty sure it's gramatically correct.

no.

Wassup? said:
I'm in just as much of a position to make a judgement about the university than you are.

replace with as

Wassup? said:
And to answer the second part of your question, yes, I do think I'm in the same position to judge a Uni, and my opinion is just as important and just as valuable as an ex-student's opinion.

Refer to the Space example I gave above.

That doesn't mean the person on earth knows what it is like to actually be in space. If i was going into space I'd ask the astronaut what it was like up there.

edit: don't get me wrong, i know what you're saying but imo the opinion of a ex-student>opinion of 08'rs when it comes to the uni itself.

Wassup? · Aug 12, 2008

Rageeb said:
no.

replace with as

That doesn't mean the person on earth knows what it is like to actually be in space. If i was going into space I'd ask the astronaut what it was like up there.

But the person on Earth WOULD know how it's like to be in Space if they did some research. For example, I could look on Wikipedia and retrieve the following information:

Mars is smaller and somewhat farther away from the Sun than the Earth, its climate has important similarities, such as the presence of an atmosphere, the polar ice caps, seasonal changes and the observable presence of weather patterns. It has attracted sustained study from planetologists and climatologists.

From this, I can conclude that the climate of Mars is similar to Earth, and so it must be warm at times, and cold at others.

mugzy07 · Aug 12, 2008

lol, see UWS would be close for me, easy to get into- but for some reason I still don't want to go there because yes, its not as prestigious as USyd or UNSW etc., however yes they do offer the same course- yet I have heard from many people there is a discrimination factor in the workforce in regards to choosing new graduates- UWS doesn't cut it...

Quite a few people have told me that "No, no UWS is GREAT!" but those are the people who go there themselves and most of them I know didn't make it to the 'prestigious' uni's as you say. However I do know a lot of people who went there for other reasons (travel, transport, friends etc.) which is cool.

I'm not trying to bag out UWS'ers but please explain how it is any better than the 'prestigious' uni's.

Matt Samson · Aug 12, 2008

Every university has a school that is really good compared to other universities.

You wouldn't do engineering at uSyd, instead you would go to UNSW.

I am sure UWS has something good about it.

runnable · Aug 12, 2008

zimmerman8k said:
Only if you add up all the dot points and consider them to be of exactly equal significance. Imo the quality of the course is most important.

If the quality of course part of UWS' "good" now? Is it actually better than or equal to USyd, UNSW, ANU or say, Harvard? Obviously there is a difference in quality.

If all the goods of UWS comes down to cheap parking lots and niche practical skills (which you can also get from other unis), then I think it is fair to conclude that bads outweight goods.

justanotherposter · Aug 12, 2008

Wassup? said:
But the person on Earth WOULD know how it's like to be in Space if they did some research. For example, I could look on Wikipedia and retrieve the following information:

From this, I can conclude that the climate of Mars is similar to Earth, and so it must be warm at times, and cold at others.

uni =/= that example. i can read how to make a cake. i'll learn what tempretures to cook it at, the exact amounts of ingredients etc to make it perfectly. does this mean i can make the cake perfectly now? no. This example is about as relevant as your space one but i'm trying to show you that your opinion is just from books and probably influenced by the stigma around uws. If a friend told me "UWS is crap, i was reading stats" then you're right, i would put value on it, but more value than a ex-student who says "yeah don't bother, i went there for years. The place is lousy"? noway.

the point that you seem to refuse to see is that just because you've read about uws doesn't mean you know uws like a ex-student. you seem to believe that you are in the same position as someone who has studied there for years, experienced the educational facilities, experienced the campus life and the lecturers themselves.

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mugzy07 said:
I'm not trying to bag out UWS'ers but please explain how it is any better than the 'prestigious' uni's.

i don't think it's better, the prestigious uni's have the better rep so better off going there if you get the UAI. But this doesn't mean that the uni sucks either, you'll learn the same skills afaik.
i actually want to go to UNSW because i love the city but i just can't these narrow minded uws haters..

mugzy07 · Aug 12, 2008

woah quick replies haha...

yeh i mean, its just the fact that ... you get your degree- e.g. travel to the UK and they ask you where you got qualified from and what will you say... "University of WESTERN SYDNEY MANNN WHOOO" - maybe its a pride thing?

then again- every tom, dick and harry and sally is doing law and not everyone can get into those 'top' (lol) uni's and end up going to UWS...

all good though... but yeh runnable- thats a joke in our school too lol, "Ahh, if I mess up the HSC I can always go UWS" lmao

Matt Samson · Aug 12, 2008

mugzy07 said:
then again- every tom, dick and harry is doing law and not everyone can get into those 'top' (lol) uni's and end up going to UWS...

You don't have to go to uni to be a lawyer.

mugzy07 · Aug 12, 2008

yeah but it would be a good advantage don't you think...?

Wassup? · Aug 12, 2008

Rageeb said:
uni =/= that example. i can read how to make a cake. i'll learn what tempretures to cook it at, the exact amounts of ingredients etc to make it perfectly. does this mean i can make the cake perfectly now? no. This example is about as relevant as your space one but i'm trying to show you that your opinion is just from books and probably influenced by the stigma around uws. If a friend told me "UWS is crap, i was reading stats" then you're right, i would put value on it, but more value than a ex-student who says "yeah don't bother, i went there for years. The place is lousy"? noway.

the point that you seem to refuse to see is that just because you've read about uws doesn't mean you know uws like a ex-student. you seem to believe that you are in the same position as someone who has studied there for years, experienced the educational facilities, experienced the campus life and the lecturers themselves.

edit: i actually want to go to UNSW because i love the city but i just can't these narrow minded uws haters..

Mate, for all I know, UWS may have a beautiful campus, great social life, great teaching, great everything, but you can't deny they fact that there IS a stigma that hangs around UWS, and employers DO discriminate against those who attain their degree from UWS. You can argue all you like, but those are the facts.

How do I know? I've asked many many graduates and most, if not all have told me that employers do hold a certain degree of bias and they'll definitely choose a UNSW/USYD graduate over a UWS graduate.

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