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How much will the Commerce enter at melbourne go up? (2 Viewers)

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brows said:
Wouldnt commerce/law be a lot harder than arts/law?? Thats prob why more do arts/law.?
maybe...but the reason i think that a lot of ppl do commerce/law is because of the huge range of job opportunities it brings to them. for ppl doing arts/law, it is more geared towards actually becoming a fully fledged lawyer i think.
 

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IMHO, double degrees suck balls. I hate them :p Because, if you one degree; it allows you to think, or to specialise in that area thoroughly. Second of all, it's wayyy to much work! haha. But really, if you a double degree you have to think about law and commerce simultaneously. However, if just do commerce and then law if you want to, you can solely think about Commerce and nothing else which may give you better marks and a better understanding. This why I like UoM :) I hope other Group 8 unis catch on to this remarkable tertiary educational model as well.
 

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Double degrees can be good though. It shows future employees that you're smart and dedicated enough to take on two courseloads simultaneously, if you're unsure about what you want to do it keeps your options open, the two courses can be complimentary to each other and it means that you do less units of each degree so it's easier than doing two bachelor's degrees seperately. That said, I'm aiming to go to Melbourne next year (for arts), so no double degrees for me!
 
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Please keep university talk in the correct forums.

This forum is for any content related to the VCE.
 

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Well i want to do Commerce at Melbourne as well, and by the looks of things, so do a plethora of students.

Im quietly confident i can get 90...95 seems to be a different story all together, although im not ruling it out...that said, GOOD LUCK lol :D work to the best of your abilities, and i hope to see you all in the economics/commerce facaulty at melbourne university, we may be in each others lectures...lol
 

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brows said:
Wouldnt commerce/law be a lot harder than arts/law?? Thats prob why more do arts/law.?
lol, harder?
arts isn't such a bludge... if you choose intellectually stimulating subjects it can be just as hard as some law subjects.
ALso bear in mind basically the whole high court of australia is made up of ppl with arts/law degrees; so obviously they aren't chosing the "cop out" option.
com/law is also exceedingly popular.
 

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AppleXY said:
Hey, me too brows! :) Personally, I think the ENTER score may go up since these courses are 'new generation' and require a high calibre of students. But ENTER scores fluctuate with supply and demand, so really, you don't know :) Woah! @Garfield, do you really graduate in 2010?!?! Thats 3 Years! :p
A HIGH CALIBRE OF STUDENTS

has melbourne uni been sending you propaganda
 

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No. UoM usually requires high enters for most courses that their offer [espically, law, medicine, commerce and arts]. So I'm pretty sure that people who go to the UoM are pretty smart and hence belong to the high calibre category. But, who knows, they might turn dumb and turn off their high scoring brains after uni :p [i wud :p loll rofl jks]
 
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The high ENTER are because of the demand of HECS places (which are going to be as low as 50% for the post-graduate degrees), not the difficulty of the courses.

the dean of law at the university of sydney has said that an ENTER/UAI of 80 is sufficent to be successful in law.
 

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Eriny said:
Double degrees can be good though. It shows future employees that you're smart and dedicated enough to take on two courseloads simultaneously, if you're unsure about what you want to do it keeps your options open, the two courses can be complimentary to each other and it means that you do less units of each degree so it's easier than doing two bachelor's degrees seperately. That said, I'm aiming to go to Melbourne next year (for arts), so no double degrees for me!
I agree.

Employers will always look up to someone with a Commerce/Law degree because of their wide background.

Also, I don't think that the Melbourne Model has been pitched that well to high school students. Most high achievers want to have access to double degrees, and it should actually decrease demand.
 

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RE: previous post (and the post quoted as well)

No i think you are incorrect, it depends on the employer

You've just been brainwashed by your peers into thinking 2 ugrad degrees is better than 1.

I'm in a hurry but here are some points to consider why 2 degrees is not always better:

1. Double ugrad degrees is a relatively new occurance, if you look at all the top people in society, business, education etc. hardly any have double degrees. Which makes you think...if they were able to achieve so much on the back of 1 single degree, what makes you think a double degree is better in the eyes of employers?

2. A single degree also shows you have focus, or know what you want to achieve. This is important because employers don't want staff coming in not knowing if they want to make a career out of their job or not. They want staff who are committed to a career in that field. Having 2 degrees suggests you're more of a generalist, typical Gen Y who's probablyjust hanging around because they don't have a better job to go to.

3. By its nature, a double degree means you learn LESS information in each of the two degrees. For instance, at the moment if you are doing a Com/Law at Melb you'd only be doing 200 points of commerce subjects compared to a single com student who would be doing 300 points (50% more than you).
Therefore, it is arguable (and probable) that a Single degree student knows more about commerce than a double degree commerce student.
 

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turtleface said:
RE: previous post (and the post quoted as well)

No i think you are incorrect, it depends on the employer

You've just been brainwashed by your peers into thinking 2 ugrad degrees is better than 1.

I'm in a hurry but here are some points to consider why 2 degrees is not always better:

1. Double ugrad degrees is a relatively new occurance, if you look at all the top people in society, business, education etc. hardly any have double degrees. Which makes you think...if they were able to achieve so much on the back of 1 single degree, what makes you think a double degree is better in the eyes of employers?

2. A single degree also shows you have focus, or know what you want to achieve. This is important because employers don't want staff coming in not knowing if they want to make a career out of their job or not. They want staff who are committed to a career in that field. Having 2 degrees suggests you're more of a generalist, typical Gen Y who's probablyjust hanging around because they don't have a better job to go to.

3. By its nature, a double degree means you learn LESS information in each of the two degrees. For instance, at the moment if you are doing a Com/Law at Melb you'd only be doing 200 points of commerce subjects compared to a single com student who would be doing 300 points (50% more than you).
Therefore, it is arguable (and probable) that a Single degree student knows more about commerce than a double degree commerce student.
turtle knows what he is talking about :p
 

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How good is it, Melbourne are offering $2,500 to any student who attends their universityand gets a UAI above 98. Here we go Melbourne...
 

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turtleface said:
RE: previous post (and the post quoted as well)

No i think you are incorrect, it depends on the employer

You've just been brainwashed by your peers into thinking 2 ugrad degrees is better than 1.

I'm in a hurry but here are some points to consider why 2 degrees is not always better:

1. Double ugrad degrees is a relatively new occurance, if you look at all the top people in society, business, education etc. hardly any have double degrees. Which makes you think...if they were able to achieve so much on the back of 1 single degree, what makes you think a double degree is better in the eyes of employers?

2. A single degree also shows you have focus, or know what you want to achieve. This is important because employers don't want staff coming in not knowing if they want to make a career out of their job or not. They want staff who are committed to a career in that field. Having 2 degrees suggests you're more of a generalist, typical Gen Y who's probablyjust hanging around because they don't have a better job to go to.

3. By its nature, a double degree means you learn LESS information in each of the two degrees. For instance, at the moment if you are doing a Com/Law at Melb you'd only be doing 200 points of commerce subjects compared to a single com student who would be doing 300 points (50% more than you).
Therefore, it is arguable (and probable) that a Single degree student knows more about commerce than a double degree commerce student.
Well, all secondary school teachers have a DipEd or a Bachelor of Education on top of another course. Many double degree students do Arts/Education or Science/Education. While it actually does take the same length of time as doing a degree and then getting your DipEd, it guarantees that you will be able to do both courses (I've been told that the DipEd can be difficult to get into) and at the end of it you have the option of either being a teacher or working in other industries of interest.

I read in the Age on Monday that many people do Arts/Law with no intention of being a lawyer just because it improves job prospects compared to the regular Arts student. It shows employees that you do have a certain level of intelligence and you are aware of the law (which is very important in some industries).

It's also true that many people do a double degree out of interest. For example, if you wanted to be a Social Worker but also loved history and philosophy (for argument's sake), then I don't see any wrong in pursuing your interests at a university level. Education may be a means to an end, but I believe that it is an end as well - it is a reward in itself. Doing something like Arts/Social Work means that you are enriched with knowledge and you also have career prospects.

Also, your argument that doing a single degree shows that you have focus is true, but are 18 year olds really expected to have focus? If anything, university is the time of your life when you should be questioning what you want to do. If you aren't sure, maybe a double degree is the best thing because it means that either one of your degrees could launch your career.

I'm not saying that double degrees are brilliant ideas handed down from the gods, but combining some courses can be really beneficial.
 

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Yeah, I just got the course guide and at the back it says ANY student who gets 98 - 99.85 gets a one off cash prize of $2,500 :eek: :) NIICE!! could buy a niice Macbook :p Simply, wow.
 
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