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Consider the curve from the x-values n to n+k. Construct an upper bound rectangle from n to n+k as the width, and f(n) as the height. This will give the inequality:















Then do something similar for the lower bound, but I am still doing that so will edit it in.
 

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Very similar to last year's BOS trial question 15 by carrot.
In my paper, students were given the existence of the E-M constant. Sy's question is proving its existence.

Also Sy, how did you expect students to prove the existence of it without the monotone convergence theorem?
 
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By considering an isosceles triangle with one of it's angles 108 degrees, prove that:

 

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In my paper, students were given the existence of the E-M constant. Sy's question is proving its existence.

Also Sy, how did you expect students to prove the existence of it without the monotone convergence theorem?
I expected students to do something similar to what Realise did. Does the existence of the limit need to be specified despite the upper bound that is independent of n?
The limit should be able to be done simply using squeeze theorem

By considering an isosceles triangle with one of it's angles 108 degrees, prove that:

Let the equal sides of the triangle be A and the side opposite 108 degrees be B.



From the sine rule of a triangle:





Now, using the cosine rule on angle theta:



Now on the larger angel:



Now:



Simplifying:






Now, we know that:



Substituting in the value for B/A we get:



I feel like I took a long approach
 

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I expected students to do something similar to what Realise did. Does the existence of the limit need to be specified despite the upper bound that is independent of n?
The limit should be able to be done simply using squeeze theorem
1. Don't quite get what you mean by the upper bound of gamma being independent of n.

2. Squeeze Theorem is usually used to find the closed form for some sort of sequence/series/limit. Gamma, as we know so far, has no single closed form.
 

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1. Don't quite get what you mean by the upper bound of gamma being independent of n.

2. Squeeze Theorem is usually used to find the closed form for some sort of sequence/series/limit. Gamma, as we know so far, has no single closed form.
Ah sorry I thought you meant the e^k question for some reason.

For that one, I aimed for students to first consider the upper rectangles of the graph y=1/x from x=1 to x=(n)







Now the lower rectangles from x=2 to x=n







So no matter how n increases, it will always be less than 1, and greater than zero, thus converging to a finite limit.

Is this incorrect?
 

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Ah sorry I thought you meant the e^k question for some reason.

For that one, I aimed for students to first consider the upper rectangles of the graph y=1/x from x=1 to x=(n)







Now the lower rectangles from x=2 to x=n







So no matter how n increases, it will always be less than 1, and greater than zero, thus converging to a finite limit.

Is this incorrect?
Yep, that is incorrect. A counter-example would be the curve y=sin(x). It is always less than 1 and greater than -1, but it most certainly does NOT converge to a finite limit.
 

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Yep, that is incorrect. A trivial example is to consider the curve y=sin(x). It is always less than 1 and greater than -1, but it most certainly does NOT converge to a finite limit.
Ah yep that is true

Apologies

EDIT: What if I showed



And then made the argument that as n increases H_n - ln(n) keeps decreasing however it is bounded on the lower by 0, then it approaches some finite limit?

We can show the above by simply showing that, then subbing in x=1/n



Which can be done through calculus.
 
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No need for apologies, this is how we learn things =) By making mistakes.
 

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Ah yep that is true

Apologies

EDIT: What if I showed



And then made the argument that as n increases H_n - ln(n) keeps decreasing however it is bounded on the lower by 0, then it approaches some finite limit?
That is the monotone convergence theorem, as I mentioned earlier =)
 

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I expected students to do something similar to what Realise did. Does the existence of the limit need to be specified despite the upper bound that is independent of n?
The limit should be able to be done simply using squeeze theorem



Let the equal sides of the triangle be A and the side opposite 108 degrees be B.



From the sine rule of a triangle:





Now, using the cosine rule on angle theta:



Now on the larger angel:



Now:



Simplifying:






Now, we know that:



Substituting in the value for B/A we get:



I feel like I took a long approach
My approach was to split the triangle into two smaller triangles by dividing the 108 angle into 72 and 36 angles and connecting that vertex to the opposite side. Let the equal sides of the larger triangle be 1, and the side opposite the 108 angle be some

Now one of the smaller triangles has angles 36, 36, 108, and thus is similar to the larger triangle. We can also easily find the side lengths of the smaller triangle and use the ratio of the matching sides of the similar triangles to obtain:



Solving for gives:







Now we use the sine rule on the larger triangle to obtain:



Now and

Substituting these in to what we have gives:



Cancelling out the and dividing both sides by 2 gives:



Substituting in our value for gives the result:

 

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In the spirit of the AMC coming up next Thursday, here is a nice question from last year's paper:

 

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1.

It is clear through Demoivre's theorem:



Substituting in

We get:



Taking the case of m/d being an integer, we look at the series version of f(m,d) it is clear that:



There is no other case.

2.

I'm going to guess that

g(n) = f(x(n), y(n))



And not an integer for composite n.

Now,from your earlier paper about the formula for primes lie, the property of prime numbers:



I still don't know how to prove this but I'm going to take it as true

Thus, we can see that





Therefore:



3.



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Hopefully that is correct
 

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1.

It is clear through Demoivre's theorem:



Substituting in

We get:



Taking the case of m/d being an integer, we look at the series version of f(m,d) it is clear that:



There is no other case.

2.

I'm going to guess that

g(n) = f(x(n), y(n))



And not an integer for composite n.

Now,from your earlier paper about the formula for primes lie, the property of prime numbers:



I still don't know how to prove this but I'm going to take it as true

Thus, we can see that





Therefore:



3.



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Hopefully that is correct
Well you don't need to know how to prove the factorial thing, think about the definition of a prime number...it is convenient that we have found a function f that "checks divisibility".

Your answer is quite close, but your p(n) will actually spit out (1,2,3,0,5,0,7,0,0,0,11,etc) rather than (2,3,5,7,etc).
 
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