HSC 2015 MX2 Integration Marathon (archive) (5 Viewers)

SpiralFlex · Apr 6, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}{\frac{dx}{a^2sin^2x +b^2cos^2x}}$

Good question, hint: Do NOT attempt to use any "t-formulae"

Drsoccerball · Apr 6, 2015

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SpiralFlex said:
Good question, hint: Do NOT attempt to use any "t-formulae"

Why would you save some people D:

SpiralFlex · Apr 6, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
Why would you save some people D:

Time is precious

SpiralFlex · Apr 6, 2015

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Also if any of you guys are interested, the University of New South Wales hosts an annual integration bee (so that will be sometime early 2016) after your 2015 graduation if any of keen integratorrrs are interested.

simpleetal · Apr 6, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}{\frac{dx}{a^2sin^2x +b^2cos^2x}}$

Just a hint for those, divide top and bottom by b^2 cos^2x and you get a constant multiplied by a standard tan invere integral

SpiralFlex · Apr 6, 2015

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^That's essentially the solution.

Drsoccerball · Apr 6, 2015

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simpleetal said:
Just a hint for those, divide top and bottom by b^2 cos^2x and you get a constant multiplied by a standard tan invere integral

Much easier than what i did i changed cos^2 into 1-sin^2 and did it like that where you get :
$\frac{1}{b} tan^{-1}{\frac{\sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b}} + c$

Ekman · Apr 6, 2015

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simpleetal said:
Just a hint for those, divide top and bottom by b^2 cos^2x and you get a constant multiplied by a standard tan invere integral

Don't you mean a^2, whats the purpose of taking out b^2, since when I manipulated the integral I got:

$\frac{1}{a^2} \int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \frac{\sec^2x}{\tan^2x + \frac{b^2}{a^2}}dx$

And its just substitution to finish it off.

Drsoccerball · Apr 7, 2015

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$I_n= \int_0^1{\frac{x^{2n}}{x^2 +1}}dx$
Show that:
$I_n +I_{n-1} = \frac{1}{2n-1}$

Drsoccerball · Apr 7, 2015

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Ekman said:
Don't you mean a^2, whats the purpose of taking out b^2, since when I manipulated the integral I got:

$\frac{1}{a^2} \int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \frac{\sec^2x}{\tan^2x + \frac{b^2}{a^2}}dx$

And its just substitution to finish it off.

our answers are different then...

InteGrand · Apr 7, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
$I_n= \int_0^1{\frac{x^{2n}}{x^2 +1}}dx$
Show that:
$I_n +I_{n-1} = \frac{1}{2n-1}$

$I_n + I_{n-1} = \int_0 ^1 \frac{x^{2n}}{x^2 +1}\text{ d}x + \int_0 ^1 \frac{x^{2(n-1)}}{x^2+1}\text{ d}x$

$= \int_0 ^1 \frac{x^{2n} + x^{2n-2}}{x^2+1} \text{ d}x$

$= \int_0 ^1 \frac{x^{2n-2} (x^2 + 1)}{x^2 + 1} \text{ d}x$

$= \int_0 ^1 x^{2n-2} \text{ d}x$

$= \frac{1}{2n-1}$ .

Ekman · Apr 7, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
our answers are different then...

Well after making u=tanx, my final answer was:

$\left[\frac{\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{a\tan(x)}{b}\right)}{ab}\right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}$

Which leads me to believe that the question is a tad bit faulty, in terms of its boundaries. When I sub in pi/2, im not sure what the answer should be, since its than inverse an undefined number*constant

$\frac{\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{a\tan(\frac{\pi}{2})}{b}\right)}{ab}=?$

InteGrand · Apr 7, 2015

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Ekman said:
Well after making u=tanx, my final answer was:

$\left[\frac{\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{a\tan(x)}{b}\right)}{ab}\right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}$

Which leads me to believe that the question is a tad bit faulty, in terms of its boundaries. When I sub in pi/2, im not sure what the answer should be, since its than inverse an undefined number*constant

$\frac{\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{a\tan(\frac{\pi}{2})}{b}\right)}{ab}=?$

You can take the left-hand limit as $x \to \frac{\pi}{2}^-$ , and you should get an answer of $\frac{\frac{\pi}{2}}{ab}$ , since $\int _0 ^{\frac{\pi}{2}} f \text{ d}x = \lim_{\xi \to \frac{\pi}{2}^-} \int _0 ^{\xi}f \text{ d}x$ (assuming this limit exists, which it does in our case).

InteGrand · Apr 7, 2015

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(Note. The answer I gave assumed $\frac{a}{b}> 0\Leftrightarrow ab > 0$ . If $\frac{a}{b}< 0 \Leftrightarrow ab < 0$ , our answer is the negative of what I gave above. So the overall answer is $\frac{\frac{\pi}{2}}{|ab|}$ , for $a,b \neq 0$ .)

Drsoccerball · Apr 7, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
Much easier than what i did i changed cos^2 into 1-sin^2 and did it like that where you get :
$\frac{1}{b} tan^{-1}{\frac{\sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b}} + c$

Whats wrong with my answer ? I changed cos to sin or sin to cos dont remember

InteGrand · Apr 7, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
Whats wrong with my answer ? I changed cos to sin or sin to cos dont remember

How did you get to that answer?

VBN2470 · Apr 7, 2015

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NEW QUESTION

$Find $\int \tan(x)\cdot\tan(2x)\cdot\tan(3x) \text{ d}x$$

Drsoccerball · Apr 7, 2015

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InteGrand said:
How did you get to that answer?

$\int{\frac{dx}{a^2sin^2x+b^2-b^2sin^2x}}$

$\int{\frac{dx}{sin^2x(a^2-b^2)+b^2}}$

$Using the formula sheet$

$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}{\frac{1}{b}tan^{-1}(\frac{sin^2x \sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b})}$

$= \frac{1}{b}tan^{-1}(\frac{\sqrt{a^2 -b^2}}{b}$

EDIT: Am i allowed to do this with sin?

braintic · Apr 7, 2015

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Drsoccerball said:
$\int{\frac{dx}{a^2sin^2x+b^2-b^2sin^2x}}$

$\int{\frac{dx}{sin^2x(a^2-b^2)+b^2}}$

$Using the formula sheet$

$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}{\frac{1}{b}tan^{-1}(\frac{sin^2x \sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{b})}$

$= \frac{1}{b}tan^{-1}(\frac{\sqrt{a^2 -b^2}}{b}$

EDIT: Am i allowed to do this with sin?

You need the derivative of sinx in the integral to do that.
Also, you have the integration symbol in your working after you've integrated.
And ... which 'formula sheet' gives the integral when x^2 has a coefficient?

simpleetal · Apr 7, 2015

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VBN2470 said:
NEW QUESTION

$Find $\int \tan(x)\cdot\tan(2x)\cdot\tan(3x) \text{ d}x$$

change the tanx tan2xtan3x into tan3x -tan2x - tanx by considering the expansion of tan (2x+x). then pretty straightforward from there

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