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[Trefoil]

To be fair, if Labor were in power for the Howard years, they wouldve found something to blow it all on
Bluepolls
Gvt parenting assistants
No headace left untreated
Ethnic minority grants
neoCathedrals as schools

Well, maybe. Latham was a bloody moron.

 

[youBROKEmyLIFE]

Fuck off Neil Rudd is doing nothing and you know it and it's infuriating. He's just banning stuff and fucking up managing the financial crisis argh

fuck offfffff why can't we have a THIRD WAY

 

[Enobarbus]

i do not support the Iraq war.

I do. We can't be palling around with terrorists!

 

[poWerdrY]

GST, Reduced gun ownership, increased immigration, far better standard of living, far better growth, streamlined relationships with states, better ties with the US... etc

I know what you mean though but Howard actually did a *lot*

Massive surplus, future fund... etc.

completely agree. especially with the first two. i remember reading (not sure if it was state or federal governemtn) partaking in deals with the gun party to pass some unpopular legislation in return for lax gun laws. thats what you get

 

[poWerdrY]

I do. We can't be palling around with terrorists!

i did at first. but i think its time for america to realise its no longer the dominant superpower in the world. it should focus more on maintaining economic superiority rather than military might. and australia does not have much to gain from the war, as it doesnt really affect us except for better relations with the US

 

[Trefoil]

GST, Reduced gun ownership, increased immigration, far better standard of living, far better growth, streamlined relationships with states, better ties with the US... etc

I know what you mean though but Howard actually did a *lot*

Massive surplus, future fund... etc.

I agree except for better growth and standard of living. I think they're part of the Labour economic reforms and resource boom mentioned earlier.

Look, until Rudd came along (or rather perhaps until Liberals/Howard started stagnating), I had every reason to vote Liberal (besides being too young). But blind zealous morons like Enobarbus just shit me off.

 

[youBROKEmyLIFE]

Don't vote main parties, vote third parties to give them funding, basically. My track record is Greens/LDP/Shooters

EDIT: I was kind of excited about Rudd but he is a NOTHING and it sickens me that he wants to fucking just outlaw everything for the lulz

 

[poWerdrY]

Look, until Rudd came along (or rather perhaps until Liberals/Howard started stagnating), I had every reason to vote Liberal (besides being too young).

rudd is everything i detest in a politician. always pandering to the polls rather than using sense.

 

[Trefoil]

Fuck off Neil Rudd is doing nothing and you know it and it's infuriating. He's just banning stuff and fucking up managing the financial crisis argh

fuck offfffff why can't we have a THIRD WAY

a) I know he infuriates your Libertarian sensibilities, but pass judgement in 2009 or 2010 instead of his first year, kthx?
b) Australia couldn't afford another term of Libs.
c) You know I don't overly support either Liberal or Labour dude

 

[Iron]

Rudd's ok. Arsehole to work for though, apparently. F this and F that, he loves the F bomb. I've heard that he's really unbearable as a boss - couldnt care less about your personal life, humourless, intimidating etc. Only one of his current staff members were with him 2yrs ago, and he's basically a child slave who Rudd's made his CoS

Apparently Tony Abbott's surprisingly one of the best guys to work for atm. Meant to be very warm and personable and really sympathetic to his staff

 

[poWerdrY]

Rudd's ok. Arsehole to work for though, apparently. F this and F that, he loves the F bomb. I've heard that he's really unbearable as a boss - couldnt care less about your personal life, humourless, intimidating etc. Only one of his staff members were with him 2yrs ago, and he's basically a child slave who Rudd's made his CoS

my dad told me about that, but ive never read anything about it. care to share your source?

 

[Trefoil]

Rudd's ok. Arsehole to work for though, apparently. F this and F that, he loves the F bomb. I've heard that he's really unbearable as a boss - couldnt care less about your personal life, humourless, intimidating etc. Only one of his current staff members were with him 2yrs ago, and he's basically a child slave who Rudd's made his CoS

Apparently Tony Abbott's surprisingly one of the best guys to work for atm. Meant to be very warm and personable and really sympathetic to his staff

The man sounds like he knows how to run a government.

Just not the motherfucking Internet.

 

[youBROKEmyLIFE]

Why... why can't these people leave me alone? Surely take some of my money as a fee for living here, that's fine. But please just get the fuck out of my way.

EDIT: Inq Linq: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/10/30/aussies-internet-screen-hitting

IT IS STARTING to look like the Australian government is going to lose the chance to censor internet sites that it does not like.

Opposition to the idea, which will turn the Australian internet into a nanny state, is growing and it now looks like ISPs are threatening to boycott the idea.

The government has been pushing the idea of filtering with the age-old idea of protecting children from everything and the nation from terrorists. However what it apparently didn’t realise is that Western Societies are not that keen on censorship these days... for any reason.

For the scheme to go ahead, it needs the support of the Green party, and the looney religious nutters who want to use it to ban porn or anything else that is not in their interpretation of the Bible.

But the Greens have said that the proposal is "daft".

Spokeshippie Scott Ludlam told The Age yesterday that the policy was technically difficult and very expensive for taxpayers.

Ludlam said server-level filtering imposed a kind of censorship that "runs counter to what the internet is all about", adding that the Government would be better investing the filtering money in law enforcement and education.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy is now saying that he does not want to set up a Great FireWall of China, or Great Rabbit Proof Fence, since it is Australian.

All he wants to do is protect the children from paedophiles he said.

 

[poWerdrY]

conroy is a dipshit. i can't beleive he thought his strawman argument about how 'you're either with us or against us. if you're against us, you must be a pedophile.' would work. fucking fucktard

 

[Iron]

This is the modern version of the conscription debate
Or banning the communist party, yeah lets go w that one

 

[Trefoil]

This new religious right-wing element to the ALP disturbs me. They seem to be the primary force behind this censorship programme.

Where the fuck did they come from anyway? Shouldn't they all be off orgasming over Steve Fielding or something?

 

[Iron]

Rudd's battle over religon was amazing. Howard had a monopoly over the Christian vote for years, but it was pretty refreshing to hear an argument that the party of social justice has a lot in common with true Christianity.
It's a valid influence imo, and probably an electorally essential one

 

[poWerdrY]

Rudd's battle over religon was amazing. Howard had a monopoly over the Christian vote for years, but it was pretty refreshing to hear an argument that the party of social justice has a lot in common with true Christianity.
It's a valid influence imo, and probably an electorally essential one

i support Christianity and the its continuation as the dominant religion in Australia. but extremist views like that of Michael Atkinson only proves the point that religion and politics should never mix.

 

[Trefoil]

Rudd's battle over religon was amazing. Howard had a monopoly over the Christian vote for years, but it was pretty refreshing to hear an argument that the party of social justice has a lot in common with true Christianity.
It's a valid influence imo, and probably an electorally essential one

Well, yeah, ignoring fundamentalist nutjob America, it does make more sense for Christians, especially Catholics, to identify with the social justice of Labour and the centre, but still... I don't want my fucking political parties being hijacked by social conservatives.

But it begs the question... if Greens are increasingly pulling the Labour Left, and Labour is increasingly pulling the Religious Right, where does that leave the Liberals in future?

 

[Iron]

lol it's not extremist, trust me
and the mix is for your own good, trust me