Is english standard caped?? (1 Viewer)

[Steven88]

I heared that if you do english standard you cant get a band 6 for some reasons its caped at a certain mark...Is this true??

Cna you class average bring you mark down...Does the HSC use class average if so WHY

 

[A l]

I heared that if you do english standard you cant get a band 6 for some reasons its caped at a certain mark...Is this true??

It is a common belief that English (Standard) is capped. The truth is that English (Standard) is NOT capped. Candidates CAN get a band 6 for English (Standard), it's just that not many people have actually achieve it. Last year two people managed an aligned HSC mark in band 6 for English (Standard).
It is POSSIBLE for an English (Standard) student to achieve a mark of 100, but this has not happened yet simply because most of the candidates do not have the abilities to do so. In determining a band cut-offs, you need to remember that English (Standard) students are up against English (Advanced) students in the standards setting procedure. In other words English (Standard) and English (Advanced) are marked on the SAME performance descriptors and criteria.
Since the quality of English (Standard) student responses are often not as good as the respsonses of English (Advanced) student responses, that probably explains why the overall performance of English (Standard) is rather low because they are compared to English (Advanced) students.
So basically, a band 6 in English (Standard) is the equivalent of a band 6 in English (Advanced).
Refer to the following threads for details, especially at the latter parts of the thread, which may be of relevence to the information you are after:
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=65384
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=54082

Cna you class average bring you mark down...Does the HSC use class average if so WHY

You must understand a process called moderating in order to answer this question. Refer to the following thread for an explanation of this process:
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=6642
Basically, it's your school's average in the EXTERNAL EXAMINATION that counts, not your class average (unless of course, there is only one class in the whole school for a particular course). Your school's average in the raw internal examination is merely of any significance before it is moderated.
You won't be affected by your school average if you maintain your rank within the grade for both your internal and external examinations and assessments. If you don't maintain your rank or if others don't then complications begin to happen. In the moderating process the school's average in the assessment marks is altered to match the school's average in the external examination marks. The assessment marks are then altered in correspondence to the ranking of each student.
For example if the top mark for external examination was 90, then the top mark for the internal examination would be moderated to 90. However, that top mark may not come from the same student, it all depends on the ranking in both school assessment marks and examination marks.
So basically, if your school gets a higher HSC examination average than the average of the raw school assessment marks, then chances are you will gain high marks for that course since the marks would be increased to match the distribution of marks in the HSC examination.
Refer to the following threads for details:
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=67444
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=67623
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=67894
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=67768

 

[Meldrum]

Methinks AI wants to be a MOD

 

[nick1048]

theoretically, NOT CAPPED
practically, CAPPED

 

[stainmepink]

theoretically, NOT CAPPED
practically, CAPPED

i think so too.

 

[speed2]

"It is a common belief that English (Standard) is capped. The truth is that English (Standard) is NOT capped. Candidates CAN get a band 6 for English (Standard), it's just that not many people have actually achieve it. Last year two people managed an aligned HSC mark in band 6 for English (Standard)."

if this is true then how come on the board of studies site (see below) there is no percentage under Band 6??
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2004_12_15130.htm

 

[richz]

its not capped, its just that all the better english students do advance.. Think about it this way, if you were good at english would u do standard or advance....

 

[A l]

if this is true then how come on the board of studies site (see below) there is no percentage under Band 6??
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2004_12_15130.htm

The reason that there is no percentage under band 6 is because 2 people out of 31019 is too small to be expressed as a percentage.
The percentages you see in that site are rounded off to two decimal places. Such a small portion in the candidature (2/31019 as a fraction) would be expressed as 0.00% rounded off to two decimal places and hence was omitted. If you don't believe me, check the Distinguished Achiever's list for 2004 and you'll see that Greg Kalogeropoulos of Endeavour Sports High School and Cassandra Paz of Oakhill College Castle Hill had scored band 6 in English (Standard) in that year. Refer to the following threads:
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=52736
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=52941

AND websites (check for course number 15130 which is English (Standard)):
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/TAINC_2004_12.htm
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/DSACH_2004_12_K1.htm
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/DSACH_2004_12_P5.htm

You probably have not completely understood some parts my previous post:
"It is POSSIBLE for an English (Standard) student to achieve a mark of 100, but this has not happened yet simply because most of the candidates do not have the abilities to do so. In determining band cut-offs, you need to remember that English (Standard) students are up against English (Advanced) students in the standards setting procedure. In other words English (Standard) and English (Advanced) are marked on the SAME performance descriptors and criteria."

You can check the band descriptors for both English (Standard) and English (Advanced) in that site and you'll see that the wording is exactly the same.
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2004_12_15140.htm
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2004_12_15130.htm

Also, CAPPING only applies to SCALED MARKS, not ALIGNED MARKS. Aligned marks are the marks that are reported to you. They are NOT the marks used for scaling and hence are not capped.

English (Standard) is scaled with English (Advanced) as a single course.
If English (Standard) were to ever become capped then English (Advanced) would also be capped. In 2004 as a single combined course the maximum scaled mark was 100. This means that English (Standard) as well as English (Advanced) are not capped because they are always combined as a single course when marking and scaling.

 

[fakingtheday]

lol i do advanced, and alot of standard people are smarter then me ( like waaaay smarter) obviously when u do advanced the work is expected to be of higher level, but whats the whole theory on stnd, being capped? ya mean like.. they cant achieve better then advanced?

*a lot

it's two words.

And on the related topic, both standard and advanced sit the same AOS test which, in theory, is where advanced should gain their lead of standard student. I also have in my memory bank (don't know why?) that standard modules could be marked a little different to advanced?