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By the way lawyers have to continue legal education throughout their career to remain qualified.
That is a given, yes. It also depends on which jurisdiction and the requirements of your local legal institute/association.melsc said:By the way lawyers have to continue legal education throughout their career to remain qualified.
I was actually referring to law, not medicine, but yes you're right ANU only has grad medANU is a case in point of how I think things should work: they have a graduate medicine program, to which you are admitted based upon your GPA and GAMSAT results. I think they also have a program where students with 98+ UAI's are given a provisional offer to graduate medicine? (provided they maintain a certain GPA)
My point is that if you do a law degree =/= becoming a lawyer, while medicine does. This justifies the crazy admissions system. In fact as long as you graduate, you are guaranteed a job. If you get into medicine and you've found out you've made a mistake, its very hard to get out of it. Unlike law where most graduates don't end up even practising.That's also true for the most part. But keep in mind that there are more law courses out there than medical courses. The opportunities for law graduates is much much more competitive than for medical graduates.
So some naive kid gets into law and finds out that it isn't for them... what is the problem with this? They'll learn a lesson, the government gets paid, and people who are happy. They aren't stuck in the profession and the people who missed out first time round can try an alternative route.True, this is one of the arguments people put forwards for graduate law- most school leavers have no idea what they really want to do, and law seems an attractive option due to percieved prestige, potential renumeration, etc.
WRONGIt doesn't take that long to be a GP. Even so, after gaining qualifications from a specialist medical college, the medical practitioner is still expected to keep their medical knowledge up to date through personal study. Medical graduates also start making a decent amount of money right after graduation too.
What exactly do you mean "it's very hard to get out of it"? People get out of it all the time either by quitting the course midway through, or after graduation, or after internship, or beyond that. There are plenty of opportunities for medical graduates in consulting, R&D, even hospital administration. Others go on to postgrad study in a completely different area.Season said:If you get into medicine and you've found out you've made a mistake, its very hard to get out of it.
We are talking about grad med here, 4 years. Plus 1 year internship, another couple of years in GP training after that, maybe 8 years all up.Season said:WRONG
GP
6 year medical degree + internship year + 3.5 GP training program = 10.5 years
With the current doctor shortage, family pressure, society pressure, the fact that the degree isn't geared towards much else except medicine, yeah there is quite a bit of pressure in there. Unlike law where the pressure is non-existant.RogueAcademic said:What exactly do you mean "it's very hard to get out of it"? People get out of it all the time either by quitting the course midway through, or after graduation, or after internship, or beyond that. There are plenty of opportunities for medical graduates in consulting, R&D, even hospital administration. Others go on to postgrad study in a completely different area.
Considering you can't get into grad medicine with high performance on an undergrad degree you have missed out 3 years.We are talking about grad med here, 4 years. Plus 1 year internship, another couple of years in GP training after that, maybe 8 years all up.
Wouldn't want to hijack the threat or anything . I think with an ENTER of 94.9 you'll be safely in (don't quote me). I would be surprised to see a BA that requires more than 95! The Melbourne University website says the guarenteed entry (ie. DFEE cut-off) is 85, so I guess the CSP would be around 90. Because its a new course (the colourfully titled "New Generation BA") they don't give a CSP cut-off for last year.ellasrules said:hey guys, 94.90 enter, u rekon that'll get me into arts at melb??
70% is a credit average, I have no idea what H2 means (I think it means Second Class Honours, I know Victorian universities use these as grades) but I would think H1=HD. In any case, I really can't see how the Melbourne JD could require a HD average to get into. I would contact Melbourne about it and ask them, hopefully they can give you a pretty clear idea of what is required to get in.ellasrules said:Do u think its extremely difficult to get into postgrad Law at melb? like it sed 70% is a H2 sumthing...high distincion i think...my god that sounds hard but i wana try my ass off.
Get great marks during university and do well in the LSAT. You will also have to write a personal statement, so getting involved in extra-curricular activities is a good idea as it will give you some firepower. I'm sure they'll look favourably on any exchange you go on.ellasrules said:In my arts degree id love to transfer for like a semester to UCLA or sum Uni in the US, do u think that wuld make a stronger application?? what else can u do during ur arts degree or wateva degree undergrad, to make u a stronger candidate??
haha, then would you be interested in a libran studying law who's interested in reading, cooking, rom-coms and long walks by the beach?Season said:Oh and since you made a big fuss about my family background let me enlighten you about my family. My father did law for fun, both my brothers are doing law, my cousin did law and is currently working for Macquarie bank. Our family discussions are debates about politics, and what can I say- we entertain quite a bit. I also enjoy debating, public speaking, and organizations like UNYA. My favourite colour is blue and I like enjoy dancing in my spare time.
RogueAcademic said:Where exactly did you acquire your opinion that it takes 3.5 years for qualify as a GP?
This has been taken from the Australian Medical AssociationThe training program takes 3 years full time. A four-year program is available for those wishing to obtain an advanced rural postgraduate award (FACRRM or Grad Dip Rural). A Registrar in AGPT must complete three years of work-based training with a regional training provider before becoming eligible for Fellowship, however registrars may sit the FRACGP examinations in their third year of training.
To achieve full registration as a general practitioner, the registrar must successfully complete the training aspect of the program and the Fellowship exam. They are then eligible for the conferment of fellowship and vocational registration.
I was referring to pressure to become a lawyer after you graduate, I have no doubt that studying law and achieving high marks in any degree is all dependant on the individual not the degree.Sure, there might be no pressure if you just wanna breeze your way through with a bare pass mark, but what of the person who wants first class honours? anyway, I just can't understand what you mean how there is no pressure in studying law.
you're just... too... abstract okay... if finally decide to let emotions rule... then give me a callBut as the Cancer woman begins to slowly open up and reveal her feelings and changing moods, the Libra man’s airy, abstract approach to life may not rest comfortably with her emotional world.
So where does it say it takes a 3.5 years as a bare minimum or as an absolute, as you so strongly insist? And no I do not count the non-medical undergrad degree as part of the years it takes to become a GP. If you do, you'd have to include your school years 12+3+4+1+3=23.Season said:This has been taken from the Australian Medical Association
Reference: http://www.ama.com.au/web.nsf/doc/WEEN-6CY3MF?opendocument
Some other useful sites
Royal Australian College of General Practitioners http://www.racgp.org.au/
Vocational training page for GPs. http://www.racgp.org.au/vocationaltraining
A phamplet aimed at doctors in 2008 on obtaining their fellowship, it states quite clearly that you need a minimum of 3, most likely 4 years of supervised practice to work as a GP and have a medicare no. (ie get paid)
http://www.racgp.org.au/Content/NavigationMenu/educationandtraining/Fellowship/RequirementsforFellowship/2008FellowshipGuide.pdf
You use the words 'claims', 'not exactly.. official information', and 'assume'. It's fine to share your experiences but to do so and insist that your blessed words are treated as gospel is arrogance.Season said:As for the claims I have from experiences of myself and family, how do you propose I get them? Its not exactly something they do studies on and release official information. I can only assume that if there was a large amount of pressure then a large amount of graduates would be doing law. Yet the one objective piece of data reigns in my favour.
More so I have no seen anyone else offer any other piece of more objective piece of information then personal experience, so until someone does offer a bit of objective piece of data that proves all my "arrogant" claims wrong, I will abide by my earlier claims.
Here's an example of your arrogance, and yet you misquoted that reigning piece of objective data.Season said:Yet the one objective piece of data reigns in my favour.
*slapped back into reality* goddammit you're rightari89 said:stfu already
Hint: Law students do not give a fuck about how long it takes to become a GP etc