Man to be 'crucified' for raping 5 children (1 Viewer)

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MAN TO BE 'CRUCIFIED' FOR RAPING 5 CHILDREN

A Saudi court has ruled that a man convicted of raping five children will be beheaded and crucified.
Muhammad Basheer al-Ramaly, 22, left his youngest victim, aged three, stranded in the desert to die.
He was caught when he tried to abduct another boy by offering him a lift home from school in his car.
The court of appeal in Riyadh approved the death sentence handed down in June. Beheading is permitted for serious offences in the conservative kingdom.
More than 40 people have been executed in such a fashion this year.
Reports suggest Ramaly lured children into his car near their school, near the town of Hail, and took them to isolated areas to rape them.
Human rights group Amnesty International has criticized the court proceedings saying Ramaly did not have access to a lawyer during his trial and that there are reports he may suffer from a psychological disorder.
International rights advocates have long been critical of the death sentences in Saudi Arabia, but the authorities defend the practice as a quick and clean form of execution sanctioned by the Islamic faith.
Crucifixion means the body will be attached to wooden beams and displayed in public after the beheading.

Do you think that the punishment fits the crime? Yes, KSA is known for some wack job policies but I thought this might bring about a good debate ...

 

[VicTrix]

That is pretty grotesque. I mean, I don't think anyone should die in such a horrendous fashion.
Regardless of the crime committed.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Crucify all those barbaric Saudi's IMHO

 

[Jeee]

It's barbaric, but to be honest, it's quite a turn around. Saudi Arabia has had a reputation of punishing the victim i.e. if a man raped a woman, it is normally the woman who is punished for 'allowing it'/'seducing' the rapist.

Realistically, he should be thrown in prison. It would be IDEALIC to have him beheaded. He raped children, and left one to die in the desert. What a bastard.

Human rights group Amnesty International has criticized the court proceedings saying Ramaly did not have access to a lawyer during his trial and that there are reports he may suffer from a psychological disorder.

Completely agree. It's ludicrous that he isn't allowed access to a lawyer, or defend himself...

 

[SnowFox]

Bah, he wont feel it, he be beheaded.

 

[loquasagacious]

"Man will be incinerated for shooting a cop".

The practice of cremation is barbaric.


PS. I would absolutely choose beheading over lethal injection.

They'll never take me alive.

 

[Fish Tank]

I think beheading does the job well enough, the crucifixion bit isn't required especially if he's dead already.

I would've had him shot and charged his family for the cost of the bullet

 

[badquinton304]

Lol they should offer him free poison candy from a party van thats a fitting punishment.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

"Man will be incinerated for shooting a cop".

The practice of cremation is barbaric.


PS. I would absolutely choose beheading over lethal injection.

no way. but if i had to take a choice itd be via massive heroin overdose

 

[HumanDichotomy]

No. Beheading is barbaric. We're just sinking to the level of the criminal, imo.

 

[Phoenix Fury]

That isn't severe enough for the sikko. Absolutely he deserves it.

 

[Alvik]

He'll never be the head of a major corporation.

 

[David Spade]

how is beheading barbaric, it is a relitively quick and painless death tbh

atleast he isnt being hung or shot

 

[Cookie182]

No. Beheading is barbaric. We're just sinking to the level of the criminal, imo.

Absolutely, these threads really give a chance for everone to go "kill him bla bla". It's quite frightening this bloodthirsty, animalistic drive still exists within our fellow "civilised" Australians.

Note too, call me a skeptic but I will never rush to judgement based on criminal facts in Saudi Arabia.

1) I don't find their legal system legitimate. It very much runs on a "make it up as you go" policy; precedents are inconsistent (if at any at all) and corrpution will always exist IMO under a monarchy with "religious police".
2) I reject the notion of legal codes derived through "divine revelation". Sharia law makes no sense to an atheist.

 

[Cookie182]

wtf bro? does the little 3 year old deserve to get raped and then die from thirst and starvation and heat in the Saudi desert? Does he?

BBJ, this is one such example, where the KSA's 'barbaric' judicial system is not so. This pig should be crucified first for a day, then beheaded. No wait, crucified, then limbs cut of one by one, then beheaded. He deserves it. For each one of those poor victims he shall have his limbs cutoff then left for few hours then beheaded.

I know it sounds very barbaric but ffs he deserves it. Can you imagine that poor soul being raped and then left to die in the desert. Just sickens me

This is a chilling and disgusting post that reeks of a cry for retributive justice: a cry out for anarchy & unrelenting violence IMO.

The focus of our justice system, as should always be, is rehabilitation in the small hope that the offender can one day reunite safely with the community. If the offender indeed suffers from a psychiatric illness, this needs to be accounted for and it is the states responsibility (not that it always does it well, different issue) to provide services for them.

Beyond the deprivation of liberty as punishment, if the offender still presents a significant risk to the community, they shall not be released (perhaps for the term of their natural life). This is the level of punishment we should always offer; it is the only solution for a civilised society and it is what we should pride ourselves upon, separating us from Saudi et al.

The facts of the case are wildly unknown. How can you put such faith in the Saudi criminal code? AI has already suggested that wider issues of mental health may be at play? Do you have any regard for mens rea?

Now, given that he was in good health and did commit such heinous crimes, you are invited to bring in your moral judgement, and it is disgusting. Should we then go torture him before mangling his corpse>...No, this gives little chance for rehabilitation and only incites mob fuelled community violence. We deprive him off his liberty for good, keep the community safe and uphold "civilisation".

 

[eldore44]

If you're going to have a death penalty you need to make it actually deter people. lethal injection doesnt, this does. crucifixion ftw.

 

[David Spade]

what are your sources?

i would be interested to read a study that shows that the threat of lethal injection does not deter people from comitting crimes but the threat of crucifixion does

think before you say something so ridiculous and unfounded again

 

[Cookie182]

cookie, thats what you are made to believe about the Saudi legal system by the Australian and international tabloid media. It isn't as primitive as you are led to believe. It just feels a bit iffy cos they have such stiff and 'primitive' punishments. Also in the West, the Sharia law principles used, also feels primitive. But as a legal system it isn't soo primitive.

Dude the kid was raped then left to 'melt' in the desert. Now, how can that be questioned? Well, yes, someone else could have done it, he may be mentally disabled yes, but would you rather let him serve his time for 5 years or 10 years in a prison with foxtel like we do here? Fairly sure the Saudi's laugh at our treatment of pedos like Furgy.

At its core, it is based on the divine revelation of Mohammed, nothing less said.

It is inately primitive.

You have no idea where I recieved my knowledge on Saudi arabia from, your just using the stereotypical "your not from there, your listening to Western lies" apologetics. Please, my dear woman, have more sense. I am fervently critical of "western tabloids".

If you have a son and he becomes a pedophile, will your envisaged treatment of them change? Do note, as disgusting as pedophilia is, should we separate it from those suffering from schitzophrenia who murder someone due to dellusions? You get wrapped up in the medias "moral condemnation" of Ferguson, yet it may well be an unavoidable mental health issue. Rather then shifting the focus to phsyical torture, lets be constructive and increase the psychological research into the area bringing us closer to whether rehabilitation is indeed possible (or even "cures"). If not, then for the protection of children, these people must be deprived of their liberty for the course of their natural life, no more though: it is unwarranted and backwards.

LOL @ foxtel, our culture has an ingrain disgust (even among prisoners) against child sex offenders, given ferguson did 14 yrs (not a day less) you can only imagine the treatment of him: constant bashings, taunting, perhaps torture from other indivudals?

Is this the kind of "eye for an eye" culture you wish to create?

I really don't think you have thought deeply about your position at all.

 

[Cookie182]

Note also the hypocrisy.

As an obvious Middle Easterner you love to run with the "don't trust the Western media" when convenient and then you quote the facts presented by that same media, ie the child "melting in the desert" to me?

 

[Cookie182]

Can those three individuals that were raped and killed, lets focus on the child that was left to die in the desert, be rehabilitated in the small hope that he/she be reunited safely with his/her parents? I don't think so. So why give such liberties to such horrible individuals? I agree that all measures should be taken to rehabilitate individuals who have committed crimes such as: robbery, vandalism, assault not occasioning fatal injuries... because the victims of these crimes can also be rehabilitated to an extent where they too can function 'normally'. But when a child or adult is raped then killed off in such a horrific manner, then the instigator must be dealt with!

Also the facts of the case is unknown to YOU. Do you think the prosecutors the lawyers the judges are unbeknown to the facts? I don't think so. You have this warped notion that all Saudi's all arabs all muslims are untrustworthy filth that have the most primitive of judicial systems and cannot deal in a logical judicial process. This is what is fed to you by the media trash that exists in Western Countries. just look at Fox news, the telegraph etc just utter trash... they feed on your distrust of foreigners - particularly this neo-hate of Muslimes. I agree their punishments are primitive but I don't agree in this sort of case.

And no I'm not a muslim.
EDIT: no I'm not a middle easterner either. I'm just distrusting of the trash that is fed to us. Its almost presented in the news in a way to mock arabs...

1) Talking about "rehabilitation" in terms of victims is non-sensical. My argument is, irrespective of the crime (or what happened to the victims) in ANY case, we do not need to resort to primitive "pain inflictive" torture in our justice system, the sort of torture that you described above. Nor do we have to kill the offender. Period.

You seem to be promoting a warped understanding of the "just deserts" theory, something I wholeheartedly reject. I don't like backward looking punishments; eg: what did they do, how bad was it, lets impose punishment X which is roughly equal. As I said, I think forward looking is the only sane solution, irrespective of the difficulties/costs that can arise (I accept rehabilitation is not always effective).

2) Your putting words in my mouth. That is far from my opinion on Saudi, you would have no idea of the sources that I have formed my opinions from. Note too, your skepticism of "our media" is embarrassing given that your clearly basing your opinons regarding the case on the very story written by our media. It sounds like you buy into conspiracy theory rubbish.

Remember, we are discussing a nation which has no freedom of consciousness. This isn't about a racial fuelled hatred of Arabs, I know many and respect many in my life. They all agree. It is a totalitarian state; its official policies are racist, bigotted, sexist and inherently primitive. It represents the very exampe of the disaster that occurs when religion is mixed with state, when "moral laws" simply become an excuse for state control and are openly left to "religious interpretation." A state where there are no liberal movements, no freedom to express your opinion, to openly play music in public, to socialise and meet the opposite sex, to have a "private life", to openly practice your religion in a public sphere. The state that still instills corporal punishments like lashings based on strict interpretations of supposed word of god: revealed by none other then a warlord who wandered the desert 1500 yrs ago and meditated in a cave.

It reads like a paragraph from 1984...

But yeah, the Western media has lied to me, its a fucking paradise.