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Interesting read.

I know this thread is about australian muslims but we seem to be talking in general anyway:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/22/news/pew2.php

For Muslims and the West, antipathy and mistrust
By Meg Bortin International Herald Tribune

Published: June 22, 2006

PARIS Westerners and Muslims around the world have radically different views of world events, and each group tends to view the other as violent, intolerant, and lacking respect for women, according to a new international survey of more than 14,000 people in 13 nations.

In what the Pew Global Attitudes Project called one of the survey's most striking findings, majorities in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, and Turkey - Muslims countries with fairly strong ties to the United States - said, for example, that they did not believe that Arabs carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

This was just one finding illustrating the chasm in beliefs between the two groups following another year of violence and tension centered around that divide. The past 12 months saw terrorist bombings in London, riots in France by unemployed youths, many of them Muslim, a global uproar over Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and no letup to the war in Iraq.

This led majorities in the United States and in countries in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East to describe relations as generally bad, Pew found.

Muslims worldwide, including the large Islamic communities in Britain, France, Germany and Spain, broadly blamed the West, while Westerners tended to blame Muslims. Muslims in the Middle East and Asia depicted Westerners as immoral and selfish, while Westerners saw Muslims as fanatical.

The results were not uniform, however, and delivered some surprises:

Support for terrorism declined in some Muslim countries surveyed, dropping dramatically in Jordan, where terrorist bombings killed more than 50 people in Amman in November.

Two-thirds of the French public expressed positive views of Muslims, and even larger majorities of French Muslims felt favorable to Christians and Jews.

Muslims in Europe are less inclined to see a "clash of civilizations" than general publics in Europe and Muslims elsewhere.

Pew conducted the survey, part of Pew's Global Attitude Project for 2006, in April and May in Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, Turkey and the United States.

Pew, which interviewed Muslims in Europe as a group for the first time this year, said their views represented "a bridge" between the widely divergent views of other Europeans and Muslims in Asia and the Middle East.

The overall results, said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center, show that "even though relations are not good, there hasn't been a spike in outright hostility between the two groups over the past year." While both sides see relations as bad, he said, "at least it's not getting worse."

Nonetheless, majorities in every country surveyed except Pakistan expressed pessimism about Muslim-Western relations, with Germany most strongly viewing the situation as bad (70 percent), followed by France (66 percent), Turkey (64 percent), Spain and Britain (61 percent), and Egypt (58 percent).

Of those who saw relations as bad, four-fifths in Turkey blamed the West, as did majorities in Indonesia, Jordan, and Egypt. In Nigeria, divisions between Christians and Muslims were sharp on this question, as on others: While 69 percent of Nigerian Christians blamed Muslims for the poor state of relations, 83 percent of Nigerian Muslims blamed Westerners.

In follow-up interviews by the International Herald Tribune, Muslims attributed the poor relations to everything from differing values to the media. But many pointed to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as the main cause and accused the West of double standards on terrorism.

"Whenever the Israelis strike the Palestinians, the international community and the UN turn a blind eye or keep quiet," said Saleh Bayeri, a politician and Muslim community leader in Jos, Nigeria. "But when the Palestinians launch a counterattack, it is condemned by America, the U.K. and other friends of Israel as a terror attack. That is the problem. It shows that the West is biased in dealing with Muslims."

Pew asked respondents to give their opinions of Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and it found anti-Jewish sentiment to be "overwhelming" in the Muslim countries surveyed. It reached 98 percent in Jordan and 97 percent in Egypt.

In the follow-up interviews, some respondents indicated that Muslims saw Jews and Israel as identical. "You see, Muslims generally see Westerners as supporters of the Jews - Israel," Bayeri said. "As a friend of the Jews, you are automatically an enemy in the eyes of most Muslims."

Majorities in the Muslim world, Pew said, also expressed the opinion that the victory of Hamas in Palestinian elections in January would "be helpful to a fair settlement between Israel and the Palestinians - a view that is roundly rejected by non-Muslim publics."

In the follow-up interviews, the U.S.- led war in Iraq, now in its fourth year, was cited by Muslims and Westerners alike as another primary cause of bad relations. Muslims, in comments reflecting historic tensions with Christianity, described Iraq and the Bush administration's war on terrorism as a "crusade" against Islam, while in the West people said that terrorist attacks by Muslims had undermined trust.

European Muslims lined up with European general publics on some issues, indicating that integration might be moving ahead better than recent events would suggest. While Muslims outside Europe generally saw Westerners as violent and immoral, for example, this view was not shared by Muslims in France, Germany and Spain. But British Muslims were highly critical of Westerners, the survey found, holding negative views resembling those of Muslims in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, and Nigeria.

In Turkey, negative opinions of the West have increased in tandem with opposition across Europe to Turkish admission to the European Union. Only 16 percent of those surveyed in Turkey now hold a positive view of Christians, down from 31 percent in 2004.

Turkey also stood out because of the high percentage now saying they do not believe that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Fifty-nine percent express disbelief, up from 43 percent in a Gallup survey in 2002.

Disbelief was equally strong in Egypt, and stronger still in Indonesia (65 percent). Even in Britain, 56 percent of the Muslims surveyed did not believe that Arabs carried out the attacks; only 17 percent said they believed it.

The results, Kohut said, show that "many Muslims are still in denial" about something that even Osama bin Laden has acknowledged.

As for suicide bombings, however, Pew found that support declined over the past year in Pakistan, Indonesia and especially Jordan, where 29 percent now say violence against civilian targets can often or sometimes be justified, down from 57 percent in 2005. Support remained sizable in Turkey, at 17 percent, and even higher in Egypt, at 28 percent.

In Pakistan, where 69 percent now say suicide bombings can never be justified, up from 46 percent last spring, those seeing relations as generally good (30 percent) outnumbered those viewing relations as bad (25 percent), although 39 percent were undecided. In follow-up interviews, people cited the Pakistani government's support of the U.S. war on terror as one reason for the mixed view.

"Many perceive this bond with the West, and America especially, as not just important but necessary," said Reem Khan, a magazine editor based in Lahore. Pakistanis, she said, feel "the alternatives are all much worse and that an alliance with America can yield important economic and societal benefits."

Among Western publics, despite the events of the past year - the London bombings in July, the French riots in November, the cartoon controversy that erupted in January - overall opinions of Muslims remained favorable in Britain, France and the United States, Pew found. In Russia, where the government has claimed successes over rebels in Chechnya, favorable views of Muslims increased over the last two years.

But distrust grew in Germany, where 54 percent now hold unfavorable views of Muslims, and skyrocketed in Spain, with 62 percent holding negative opinions, up from 37 percent last year.

Spanish opinions of Jews also declined sharply, with 45 percent of the public expressing a favorable view, down from 58 percent last spring.

France stood out because of the harmonious views of Muslims and non- Muslims on a range of topics.

Publics in both the West and the Muslim world agreed that Muslim countries should be more prosperous, Pew found, though their views on the reasons for the current situation differed widely. Many in the Muslim world blamed the policies of the West, but others cited corruption among their own governments. In the West, people cited Islamic fundamentalism, inadequate education and lack of democracy.


PARIS Westerners and Muslims around the world have radically different views of world events, and each group tends to view the other as violent, intolerant, and lacking respect for women, according to a new international survey of more than 14,000 people in 13 nations.

In what the Pew Global Attitudes Project called one of the survey's most striking findings, majorities in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, and Turkey - Muslims countries with fairly strong ties to the United States - said, for example, that they did not believe that Arabs carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

This was just one finding illustrating the chasm in beliefs between the two groups following another year of violence and tension centered around that divide. The past 12 months saw terrorist bombings in London, riots in France by unemployed youths, many of them Muslim, a global uproar over Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, and no letup to the war in Iraq.

This led majorities in the United States and in countries in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East to describe relations as generally bad, Pew found.

Muslims worldwide, including the large Islamic communities in Britain, France, Germany and Spain, broadly blamed the West, while Westerners tended to blame Muslims. Muslims in the Middle East and Asia depicted Westerners as immoral and selfish, while Westerners saw Muslims as fanatical.

The results were not uniform, however, and delivered some surprises:

Support for terrorism declined in some Muslim countries surveyed, dropping dramatically in Jordan, where terrorist bombings killed more than 50 people in Amman in November.

Two-thirds of the French public expressed positive views of Muslims, and even larger majorities of French Muslims felt favorable to Christians and Jews.

Muslims in Europe are less inclined to see a "clash of civilizations" than general publics in Europe and Muslims elsewhere.

Pew conducted the survey, part of Pew's Global Attitude Project for 2006, in April and May in Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, Turkey and the United States.

Pew, which interviewed Muslims in Europe as a group for the first time this year, said their views represented "a bridge" between the widely divergent views of other Europeans and Muslims in Asia and the Middle East.

The overall results, said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center, show that "even though relations are not good, there hasn't been a spike in outright hostility between the two groups over the past year." While both sides see relations as bad, he said, "at least it's not getting worse."

Nonetheless, majorities in every country surveyed except Pakistan expressed pessimism about Muslim-Western relations, with Germany most strongly viewing the situation as bad (70 percent), followed by France (66 percent), Turkey (64 percent), Spain and Britain (61 percent), and Egypt (58 percent).

Of those who saw relations as bad, four-fifths in Turkey blamed the West, as did majorities in Indonesia, Jordan, and Egypt. In Nigeria, divisions between Christians and Muslims were sharp on this question, as on others: While 69 percent of Nigerian Christians blamed Muslims for the poor state of relations, 83 percent of Nigerian Muslims blamed Westerners.

In follow-up interviews by the International Herald Tribune, Muslims attributed the poor relations to everything from differing values to the media. But many pointed to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as the main cause and accused the West of double standards on terrorism.

"Whenever the Israelis strike the Palestinians, the international community and the UN turn a blind eye or keep quiet," said Saleh Bayeri, a politician and Muslim community leader in Jos, Nigeria. "But when the Palestinians launch a counterattack, it is condemned by America, the U.K. and other friends of Israel as a terror attack. That is the problem. It shows that the West is biased in dealing with Muslims."

Pew asked respondents to give their opinions of Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and it found anti-Jewish sentiment to be "overwhelming" in the Muslim countries surveyed. It reached 98 percent in Jordan and 97 percent in Egypt.

In the follow-up interviews, some respondents indicated that Muslims saw Jews and Israel as identical. "You see, Muslims generally see Westerners as supporters of the Jews - Israel," Bayeri said. "As a friend of the Jews, you are automatically an enemy in the eyes of most Muslims."

Majorities in the Muslim world, Pew said, also expressed the opinion that the victory of Hamas in Palestinian elections in January would "be helpful to a fair settlement between Israel and the Palestinians - a view that is roundly rejected by non-Muslim publics."

In the follow-up interviews, the U.S.- led war in Iraq, now in its fourth year, was cited by Muslims and Westerners alike as another primary cause of bad relations. Muslims, in comments reflecting historic tensions with Christianity, described Iraq and the Bush administration's war on terrorism as a "crusade" against Islam, while in the West people said that terrorist attacks by Muslims had undermined trust.

European Muslims lined up with European general publics on some issues, indicating that integration might be moving ahead better than recent events would suggest. While Muslims outside Europe generally saw Westerners as violent and immoral, for example, this view was not shared by Muslims in France, Germany and Spain. But British Muslims were highly critical of Westerners, the survey found, holding negative views resembling those of Muslims in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, and Nigeria.

In Turkey, negative opinions of the West have increased in tandem with opposition across Europe to Turkish admission to the European Union. Only 16 percent of those surveyed in Turkey now hold a positive view of Christians, down from 31 percent in 2004.

Turkey also stood out because of the high percentage now saying they do not believe that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Fifty-nine percent express disbelief, up from 43 percent in a Gallup survey in 2002.

Disbelief was equally strong in Egypt, and stronger still in Indonesia (65 percent). Even in Britain, 56 percent of the Muslims surveyed did not believe that Arabs carried out the attacks; only 17 percent said they believed it.

The results, Kohut said, show that "many Muslims are still in denial" about something that even Osama bin Laden has acknowledged.

As for suicide bombings, however, Pew found that support declined over the past year in Pakistan, Indonesia and especially Jordan, where 29 percent now say violence against civilian targets can often or sometimes be justified, down from 57 percent in 2005. Support remained sizable in Turkey, at 17 percent, and even higher in Egypt, at 28 percent.

In Pakistan, where 69 percent now say suicide bombings can never be justified, up from 46 percent last spring, those seeing relations as generally good (30 percent) outnumbered those viewing relations as bad (25 percent), although 39 percent were undecided. In follow-up interviews, people cited the Pakistani government's support of the U.S. war on terror as one reason for the mixed view.

"Many perceive this bond with the West, and America especially, as not just important but necessary," said Reem Khan, a magazine editor based in Lahore. Pakistanis, she said, feel "the alternatives are all much worse and that an alliance with America can yield important economic and societal benefits."

Among Western publics, despite the events of the past year - the London bombings in July, the French riots in November, the cartoon controversy that erupted in January - overall opinions of Muslims remained favorable in Britain, France and the United States, Pew found. In Russia, where the government has claimed successes over rebels in Chechnya, favorable views of Muslims increased over the last two years.

But distrust grew in Germany, where 54 percent now hold unfavorable views of Muslims, and skyrocketed in Spain, with 62 percent holding negative opinions, up from 37 percent last year.

Spanish opinions of Jews also declined sharply, with 45 percent of the public expressing a favorable view, down from 58 percent last spring.

France stood out because of the harmonious views of Muslims and non- Muslims on a range of topics.

Publics in both the West and the Muslim world agreed that Muslim countries should be more prosperous, Pew found, though their views on the reasons for the current situation differed widely. Many in the Muslim world blamed the policies of the West, but others cited corruption among their own governments. In the West, people cited Islamic fundamentalism, inadequate education and lack of democracy.
 
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Yah, but I never said anything about muslims being 'holier than thou' or anything like that. Alot, of muslims are imbeciles too, and there is nothing anyone can do about that. But, the difference is they have a reason to be fanatical, Islam as a religion is under constant attack and slander.
You can deny it, or accept it, it doesn't exuse the vile misrepresentation of the faith.

Some people like to claim Islam promotes 'violence' because of a few radicals, well it doesn't, that's a misconception.

But, Islam does advocate fighting for your rights, "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth.", But then... that's apart of Jeudaism and Christianity too.

Re: Hiphophooray
What have muslims done to you?
That's a question to everyone... really...
Because, I'm sick of having to single handedly defend Islam.
 

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But you do act holier than thou by attacking Atheism and thinking you're better then all Atheists.
 

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sam04u said:
UNBELIEVABLE.... Katie, remember the argument we had 'way' back? You don't know any muslims remember? So, please explain to me how 75% of all the Muslims you supposedly 'know' are Fuckwits when you don't know any?

You prove time and time again that your arguments are groundless, most of them evident-less and you'll disagree just for the sake of it.


Here is what I suggest you do.

1. Meet some muslims.
2. Get that peanut of yours examined for deficiencies.
3. Learn to not make assumptions which were inspired by the media.
But i thought a non-muslim could never truly be friends with a muslim? isnt that what your religion advocates?
 

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UnIqUe_PrInCeSs said:
who the hell would start up a whole big thread to discuss 'muslims in Australia'?

It's obviously going to create conflicts and arguments between people.

what's to be achieved here?
Two things:

1. It provides a defined space for a topical issue;
2. It provides a space in which opinions and ideas may be challenged (for better or worse).

Conflicts and arguments are just a part of life, princess, and there's nothing to be gained by keeping your head in the sand when others are willing to discuss an issue (once again, for better or worse).

I do realise that there are many here who aren't going to change their minds and that the fanatical rhetoric is evident from all quarters, but that isn't to say that all are like this. In fact, I'm happy to say that when the more reasonable members of the forum take the time to get involved, a measure of understanding and possibly tolerance, if not acceptance, is achieved.
 

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I don't think this thread should existed either, to be honest.
I mean you might aswell create a thread for every minority in the country so that people could discriminate even further, going by the example of 'muslims in Australia' and 'homosexuality in australia'.
 
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_dhj_ said:
I don't think this thread should existed either, to be honest.
I mean you might aswell create a thread for every minority in the country so that people could discriminate even further, going by the example of 'muslims in Australia' and 'homosexuality in australia'.

Generator said:
1. It provides a defined space for a topical issue;
Such threads exist for the purpose of providing a space for issues that would otherwise be raised on a regular basis. If you'd like to think that such threads exist for the sole purpose of providing a discriminatory space, then go right ahead, but I'd like to you to at least consider the fact that they play a constructive role in the management of this forum (much like those threads discussing IR, Immigration and gods, funnily enough).
 

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_dhj_ said:
I don't think this thread should existed either, to be honest.
I mean you might aswell create a thread for every minority in the country so that people could discriminate even further, going by the example of 'muslims in Australia' and 'homosexuality in australia'.
Damn, those pygmies of the equatorial congo basin in Australia. Always causing riots and having people start threads about them.

...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/5110364.stm

Muslims see west as fanatic, violent.

56% of Muslims don't think Arabs responsible for 9/11


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sam04u said:
Yah, but I never said anything about muslims being 'holier than thou' or anything like that. Alot, of muslims are imbeciles too, and there is nothing anyone can do about that. But, the difference is they have a reason to be fanatical, Islam as a religion is under constant attack and slander.
You can deny it, or accept it, it doesn't exuse the vile misrepresentation of the faith.

Some people like to claim Islam promotes 'violence' because of a few radicals, well it doesn't, that's a misconception.

But, Islam does advocate fighting for your rights, "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth.", But then... that's apart of Jeudaism and Christianity too.

Re: Hiphophooray
What have muslims done to you?
That's a question to everyone... really...
Because, I'm sick of having to single handedly defend Islam.
nothing bad to 'me' directly, some of my best and closest friends are muslim, but i genuinely oppose muslims beliefs, im opposed to religion in general.
 

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fucking stupid.

i hope they build urinals in the shape of mecca.
Wow. Well i dont usually say things like this, but you are a disgraceful human being. The social ramifications of making a comment like that are huge. Your actually half of the problem with our society. You get on your band wagon about how Muslim people are disrespectful to our culture and society, but you make a comment like that. People like you, and that is filthy, arrogant, idiotic rednecks who think that they know even half of the politics behind something llike this are pathetic. If you were planning on writting such a horrible and pathetic comment, that clearly shows a lack of inteligence on your part, why write it? Fucking sad...

Their religion obviously means something to them, and that is no reason to mock it so freely. Kate Tully included, The religion muslims exercise is one of trusat And understanding, of TOLERANCE and kindness, and you are a clear indicator of the issues in our society. Issues that the very people like you then use Islam as a scape-goat for blame on.

You are a disgrace. I think they should make a petit urinal to match someone your size.
 

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katie_tully said:
Haha. It always makes me chortle when you guys pull that line. "Oh, but there's nothing wrong. Muslims don't hate Australia. There is no violence in Islam".

And yet here we are?


Then you came here under false pretenses.



You missed my point entirely. When we go to places like Saudi Arabia, we HAVE to assimilate to their values. We HAVE to dress according to their laws. We HAVE to do everything according to their culture, because their pentalties are somewhat more harsh than ours.
Oh who am I kidding. We don't have penalties for people who refuse to adhere to and respect Australian culture. Silly me. Just like, don't rape our women for appearing promiscuous. That doesn't go down well with the general public.



I don't recall anybody saying that clothing and prayers are extremist behaviour. Stop trivialising. It's okay, you're in denial. *there is no extremist behaviour in Australia* kekeke.



Obviously inciting racial hatred towards your 'adopted' country is a blatant display of refusing to assimilate. Planning to and buying ingredients for home grown terrorist attacks, which people in Australia HAVE been found doing, is obviously *not* assimilating.
I thought better of you Nathan, I thought atleast you wouldn't be so lame as to try and trivialise the issue.



If these 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation people have a problem with the way WE live. If these 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation people want to engage in a little bomb making hanky panky, or if they want to hold seminars to rally their buddies to hating Australia, then I have no problem with them fucking off out of this country, to somewhere that is more in tune with their tastes.
I hear Iraq is nice in the summer time.



Aboriginies didn't migrate to Australia 30 years ago, with the idea that they could live seperately from mainstream Australia.
Don't be a dick.



What do gays and transexuals have to do with immigrants? Nothing. You're pulling shit out of a hat now, and it isn't making sense.
I haven't heard of any gay/transexual people inciting racial hatred and holding anti australia rallies.
Dude I can't even argue against what you said, because it makes no fucking sense. How does being a gay or homosexual conflict with the baseline culture of Australia? It doesn't. Jesus christ.



I wrote a little ditty. It goes a little something like this.



When the Italians, Greeks, Africans, British, New Zealander, Asian, Canadian, Greenlandian etcetera immigrants start inciting racial hatred, and start blowing people up en masse, I will write them a little ditty also.

Well ok.... once again let me say sorry in advance.
You obviously dont understand alot about this debate at all, and instead your fighting for your ego, the actual thought of prejudice in australia is exactly that, a mere fleeting thought. Why dont you quit while your this far behind the 8 ball. Have you ever met a Real muslim? They do alot more than mkae donna kebabs Kate. Where do you think these terrorists came from, and continue to? Do you think America, Brittain, Japan and australia would have such difficulty in finding them if they were all in the Middle eats. Are you that stupid and Naive? They are based all around the world, the fact that Islam has been conected is simply because it is used as the reasoning for the militant group [Osama Bin laden] to attack the US. Lets face it, Osama has the brain of a ferret, of bush if you wish to insult him, much the same as you on this matter.

Before I finnish, let me give you a little hint, I know real muslims, and Osama isnt one of them, He is a totalitarian extreamist all about getting even with some real assholes, The americans. So keep on chuckling about the non-prejudice people of australia, because when i am confronted by an idiot like you, I feel we are just another minority group that you are Prejudice against as well.
 

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ha, ha... well...
I love my little anti-islamic media-fed forum junkies, they bring me so much joy and let me praise my difference as well as respect theirs.

"La illa ha illa'llah", actually means,

La = No
illa = Except
Ha = (in the context, It)
Illa'llah = Except, Allah (god).

Translation,
"There is no God But Allah", there is another passage to that

"Ow, Muhammad el Ra7sul Allah",

Ow = And
Muhmammad = Muhammad
El = The
Ra7sul = Prophet
Allah = Of Allah

Translation,
"And Muhammad is His Prophet",

Complete Verse

"La illa ha illa'llah Ow, Muhammad el Ra7sul Allah",
There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.

(Just for the sake of understanding...)
She adds some extra stuff which has no relevance to the verse.


Extra Info:
According to Islam, That verse is the passage into heaven.
 
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there was a poll on channel 9 i think, can muslim people be loyal to both australia and islam, something like 85% of people said no.
Being loyal to islam does not involve breaking any Australian laws. wat a stupid poll.
 

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there was a poll on channel 9 i think, can muslim people be loyal to both australia and islam, something like 85% of people said no.
Being loyal to islam does not involve breaking any Australian laws. wat a stupid poll.
We'll need a bit more than 'I think' and 'something like', codereder. A link would suffice.
 

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secret, that's the nature of religion, and as should be quite clear Islam is hardly the world's only religion. Just keep in mind that religious systems of any persuasion are more likely than not to offend those who subscribe to a different religious framework (or those who don't subscribe to a religious framework, for that matter).
 
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isnt saying, there is no God but Allah, exactly the same as, there is only one true God the father almighty? Allah is just the arabic word for God, so its saying theres only one God.
 

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Generator, the nature of religion is far from advertising that -one Religions GOD, is the only one that exists. She is force feeding us her beliefs which is unacceptable in our modern society.

END OF DISCUSSION

End of discussion? Secret, each religion (and by religion I am referring to those frameworks that state that 'salvation' can only come via one particular path) stresses that only one god/entity/force exists.
 

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Generator, the nature of religion is far from advertising that -one Religions GOD, is the only one that exists. She is force feeding us her beliefs which is unacceptable in our modern society.

END OF DISCUSSION
I don't see any "force feeding" in that post, as you put it. Sam04u is rather explaining the simple line on the intention of becoming a Muslim. He is not saying you have to say this :rolleyes:
 

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