Should there be an Aboriginal voice to parliament? (3 Viewers)

[nsw..wollongong]

aboriginals in rural towns and communities wear G strings and paint their hands white everyday

what is happening.

 

[year10studentpreparin]

to be honest I dont think you can say that voice advisories particularly in new zealand have particularly gone well
especially when this is the result of such things
'A new algorithm used in some New Zealand hospitals means Māori and Pacific patients for elective surgery will be pushed higher on waiting lists than those of other ethnicities with identical other factors like level of sickness, location and time on a waitlist.'

im voting no because id rather not have crap like this happen

 

[year10studentpreparin]

what is happening.

they are living regularly and drinking the same drinks we do and they actually have clothes like we wear, they can drive, they love to play sport etc
Thats what I experienced when I flew to Gawa as part of a school trip.

 

[kingpalindrome]

Anyway I've really got to go study legal, been good chatting! Thanks for helping me sharpen my critical analysis skills

 

[year10studentpreparin]

they are living regularly and drinking the same drinks we do and they actually have clothes like we wear, they can drive, they love to play sport etc
Thats what I experienced when I flew to Gawa as part of a school trip.

aka they are the same as us its just a lot of them grew up in poorer communities and also were subject to bad parenting, domestic violence, lack of education and access to healthcare and thus rinse and repeat. im just trying to say that these issues arent just limited to aboriginals because we see these trends in other poorer communities in Australia.

 

[HazzRat]

I dont do MX2 but thanks for reminding me to get back to my maths advanced studying after getting distracted by political discussions on a hsc forum website.

I'm doing a new pomodoro technique called math and political rage war

 

[carrotsss]

Define their culture then. Its safe to say a lot of them have assimilated into western culture, dont tell me ur one of the white people and yes voters who still think aboriginals in rural towns and communities wear G strings and paint their hands white everyday? thats just ceremonial and for fun

bro I literally live in a rural town with aboriginal people

however their culture has different focuses to us, they have a focus on their relationships with the land and with their kinship groups (sor knowledge lmao), and their culture doesn’t have quite the same focus on individualism that ours does. not an expert though it’s a lot more complicated than that

 

[year10studentpreparin]

bro I literally live in a rural town with aboriginal people

however their culture has different focuses to us, they have a focus on their relationships with the land and with their kinship groups (sor knowledge lmao), and their culture doesn’t have quite the same focus on individualism that ours does. not an expert though it’s a lot more complicated than that

come on bro a aboriginal rural town doesnt equal 3 hours away from sydney.
I get that about the individualism but thats very present in other cultures especially of cultures who migrated here as individualism is a western thing

 

[year10studentpreparin]

i spent almost two years living in an few aboriginal communies when i was 10. in far north queensland. i learnt to spear crabs and hunt birds and all that, it was the real deal. but i learnt how little our values align. we value a "democracy" and sure, ours is kinda stuffed up, but in many indigenous tribes, leadership is decided by brute force. this "voice" to parliament isnt going to be decided via vote, itll be decided by the indigenous people. so some of that is a bit troubling in terms of justice and equal representation. in most tribes, women are given almost no power. so many tribes disagree w different things. overall, the voice is just going to create a wider gap between the indigenous.
also fun fact for everyone about misleading propaganda
the whole "close the gap" thing? uses statistics comparing the average indigenous person living in a rural community to the general population living in a metropolitan area. it was found that there was zero difference when comparing indigenous and non-indigenous people living in the same areas.

for real thats what I am talking about division which the others think im just talking about rest of Australia vs the indigenous where they fail to see that Aboriginal communities are NOT a monolith.
Thanks for your message and I have learnt about the misogyny and have seen it occur

 

[year10studentpreparin]

i spent almost two years living in an few aboriginal communies when i was 10. in far north queensland. i learnt to spear crabs and hunt birds and all that, it was the real deal. but i learnt how little our values align. we value a "democracy" and sure, ours is kinda stuffed up, but in many indigenous tribes, leadership is decided by brute force. this "voice" to parliament isnt going to be decided via vote, itll be decided by the indigenous people. so some of that is a bit troubling in terms of justice and equal representation. in most tribes, women are given almost no power. so many tribes disagree w different things. overall, the voice is just going to create a wider gap between the indigenous.
also fun fact for everyone about misleading propaganda
the whole "close the gap" thing? uses statistics comparing the average indigenous person living in a rural community to the general population living in a metropolitan area. it was found that there was zero difference when comparing indigenous and non-indigenous people living in the same areas.

wow yeah about the close the gap thing I never knew that so thank you for informing me and I can confirm you are right

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

it’s crazy that where I went, only ‘vote yes’ campaigners were there. that made it easy to choose

 

[carrotsss]

it’s crazy that where I went, only ‘vote yes’ campaigners were there. that made it easy to choose

apparently that’s been happening a lot across the country

the referendum still isn’t gonna pass though the polls are pretty clear

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

apparently that’s been happening a lot across the country

the referendum still isn’t gonna pass though the polls are pretty clear

that’s good to hear then

 

[year10studentpreparin]

it’s crazy that where I went, only ‘vote yes’ campaigners were there. that made it easy to choose

IKR bro it just leaves a sour taste on the vote yes campaign unfortunately.

 

[year10studentpreparin]

apparently that’s been happening a lot across the country

the referendum still isn’t gonna pass though the polls are pretty clear

even tho I voted no and it isnt gonna pass, I wish the indigenous Australians the best and you the best

 

[carrotsss]

even tho I voted no and it isnt gonna pass, I wish the indigenous Australians the best and you the best

you too

were u actually undecided this morning though like i kinda doubt it

 

[year10studentpreparin]

you too

were u actually undecided this morning though like i kinda doubt it

nah bro I wasnt, I am sorry I was just kinda bored and its been a while since I threw a tantrum on a forum. Anyway, sorry bro if I was a bit of a doofus and dummy haha.
I am mainly just against the vagueness of the vote.
I do wish for a future where we can be reconciled with our aboriginal brothers and sisters and for them to us as well.
Cheers

 

[carrotsss]

nah bro I am sorry I was just kinda bored and its been a while since I threw a tantrum on a forum. Anyway, sorry bro if I was a bit of a doofus and dummy haha.
I am mainly just against the vagueness of the vote.
I do wish for a future where we can be reconciled with our aboriginal brothers and sisters and for them to us as well.
Cheers

fair enough haha this was a good distraction from studying anyway

 

[cosmo 2]

looks already GG

 

[carrotsss]

that was quick