Should there be an Aboriginal voice to parliament? (1 Viewer)

[cosmo 2]

no one is going to help palestine except maybe yemen which is attacking israel directly right now

the rest of the muslim world has too much to lose or doesnt really care

this is their own version of abos or blm, they protest and complain but take no direct action

end of story

stop demanding any1 do shit no ones gonna

 

[SylviaB]

 

[lolcti]

What does "biased" mean here, exactly? How is this "biased", but muslims advocating for their religion isn't "biased"?

Do you imagine that the word "biased" means "literally has a different opinion to lolcti"?



I didn't blame anything on a protest. But yes, it's worthy of being hated - you cry about muslims being "oppressed", but are absolutely fine with muslims doing oppressing of their own.

I cry cause people like you exist

 

[SylviaB]

I cry cause people like you exist

I get it dude, thinking's hard

 

[nonya2000]

The fact that the actual referendum results were overwhelmingly no, yet the poll here shows overwhelmingly yes goes to show how far woke english teachers have indoctrinated childrens of australia.

 

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The fact that the actual referendum results were overwhelmingly no, yet the poll here shows overwhelmingly yes goes to show how far woke english teachers have indoctrinated childrens of australia.

It's not that overwhelming tbf

 

[katiekms]

The fact that the actual referendum results were overwhelmingly no, yet the poll here shows overwhelmingly yes goes to show how far woke english teachers have indoctrinated childrens of australia.

get this: more old people than young have the ability to vote - more old people than young have older, outdated opinions - hence, a poll with young people would lean to a more progressive opinion, a referendum with lots of old people would lean to a more conservative opinion.

 

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Just to make this clear: There are parts that I unconfortably agree with SylviaB and cosmo 2 as much as there are parts that I disagree with them. I just don't think things should be so black and white.

 

[SylviaB]

get this: more old people than young have the ability to vote - more old people than young have older, outdated opinions - hence, a poll with young people would lean to a more progressive opinion, a referendum with lots of old people would lean to a more conservative opinion.

Yes, funny how people who have the most experience interacting with actual indigenous people IRL are the ones with the "outdated" opinions

 

[Socialism]

A pretty predictable result on the whole, however the scale of the No victory is a surprise. I was predicting 57-43 to No, but it is looking like the Yes campaign might not top 40% nationally (especially with a lot of counting in WA to go and postal votes which tend to favour No). My thoughts on the referendum.

• Without question, the Yes campaign takes the cake for the worst political campaign of my lifetime (I thought Hilary Clinton in 2016 could never be topped). Albo will cop a lot of the blame, but the Yes campaign were just woeful. They just had a complete inability to refocus and counter the No campaign in any capacity. The failure to provide further details was absolutely a fatal mistake especially with the electorate crying out for more. How a campaign can squander a massive 15 point lead with 6 months to go and an overwhelming financial advantage will boggle the minds of political scientists for years to come
• To that end, the No campaign was really well run - they had a clear message which cut through. No one typifies this more than Jacinta Price who was a star campaigner.
• I dont think this is a sign of an electorate turning rightward or a massive game changing win for the Liberal party. I think with respect to this issue, it was a poorly thought out policy with an even worse campaign.
• I completely agree with Jacinta Price when she said that some older Indigenous leaders need to step aside for some fresh views, as I agree with her comments regarding this been driven by out of touch Academics and Activists. We need some fresh ideas in the space and at the moment, any one who has slightly different ideas on Indigenous Affairs is pilloried and marginalised. This referendum should send a clear message that the orthodoxy needs a shakeup.
• I like what Peter Dutton said re respecting the views of Yes voters. I think there needs to be some mutual respect that whilst we disagree, we shouldnt feel inhibited to do so. I was disappointed with people trashing others like say Nathan Cleary who advocated for Yes. It's a free country, Yes or No we should all be free to offer our views.

Without question, the Yes campaign takes the cake for the worst political campaign of my lifetime

Not sure if I'm doing the right thing reviving this, but could you give me your thoughts on the LNP campaign compared to the Yes campaign? Do you agree with the pundits, that Dutton's campaign was woefully unsuccessful? I just think it's interesting that we "swung" so far: from where Dutton was flaming Albanese after the results of the Voice, to the election...

 

[enoilgam]

Not sure if I'm doing the right thing reviving this, but could you give me your thoughts on the LNP campaign compared to the Yes campaign? Do you agree with the pundits, that Dutton's campaign was woefully unsuccessful? I just think it's interesting that we "swung" so far: from where Dutton was flaming Albanese after the results of the Voice, to the election...

I think the Yes campaign was worse given they turned a landslide lead into a landslide loss over a 6 month period. Dont get me wrong, the Liberal 2025 campaign was awful, but not as bad as Yes 2023.

As I said in my third point, this wasn't part of a rightward shift of the electorate, rather a response to a poorly thought out campaign/policy by Yes and a great campaign by No. Australians in general aren't politically aligned - the average Australian is likely to agree with a mix of right wing and left wing ideals. It is no where near as tribal as the US where people essentially fall into the left or right without much of a centre. Id say many people who voted No ultimately supported Albo.

 

[HazzRat]

I think the Yes campaign was worse given they turned a landslide lead into a landslide loss over a 6 month period. Dont get me wrong, the Liberal 2025 campaign was awful, but not as bad as Yes 2023.

As I said in my third point, this wasn't part of a rightward shift of the electorate, rather a response to a poorly thought out campaign/policy by Yes and a great campaign by No. Australians in general aren't politically aligned - the average Australian is likely to agree with a mix of right wing and left wing ideals. It is no where near as tribal as the US where people essentially fall into the left or right without much of a centre. Id say many people who voted No ultimately supported Albo.

i think it shows whilst americans vote based on where they stand in the culture war, australians still vote based on economics. areas like newcastle and wollongong would be republican areas in america with their predominantly white, working-class demographics. however in australia they're labor party areas, because it is within their voters' economic interest. these areas probably voted no to the voice to parliament but yes to another three years of labor. alternatively, boujee areas like the north shore and northern beaches may have been less likely to vote labor but more likely to support the voice. (this is all guess work, i haven't checked the data on any of this)

 

[SylviaB]

i think it shows whilst americans vote based on where they stand in the culture war, australians still vote based on economics. areas like newcastle and wollongong would be republican areas in america with their predominantly white, working-class demographics. however in australia they're labor party areas, because it is within their voters' economic interest. these areas probably voted no to the voice to parliament but yes to another three years of labor. alternatively, boujee areas like the north shore and northern beaches may have been less likely to vote labor but more likely to support the voice. (this is all guess work, i haven't checked the data on any of this)

Perceived economic interest, not economic interest.

Most Australians have been so mind fucked that they're entirely consumed with housing affordability and yet think that population growth has nothing to do with it and vote for the party responsible for record immigration during a chronic housing crisis

The sort of people convinced that hundreds of thousands of people moving to Australia each year has no effect on housing but negative gearing is the root of all evil

 

[Solarised]

Perceived economic interest, not economic interest.

Most Australians have been so mind fucked that they're entirely consumed with housing affordability and yet think that population growth has nothing to do with it and vote for the party responsible for record immigration during a chronic housing crisis

The sort of people convinced that hundreds of thousands of people moving to Australia each year has no effect on housing but negative gearing is the root of all evil

nah (I don't even live in aus anymore) labour better bro

 

[SylviaB]

nah (I don't even live in aus anymore) labour better bro

bro doesn't even know how to spell the name of the party he's brainlessly supporting

 

[Solarised]

bro doesn't even know how to spell the name of the party he's brainlessly supporting

hope whatever problem ur going through gets well man have a nice day

 

[SylviaB]

hope whatever problem ur going through gets well man have a nice day

k bud, have fun never affording a house

 

[Socialism]

Please let this thread die

 

[SylviaB]

Please let this thread die

 

[Solarised]

k bud, have fun never affording a house

cough cough @its_ace21 cough cough I aint never affording a house