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Hi everyone,

I'm currently studying in year 12 and have been looking into speech path at usyd, either the applied science course of the Bachelor of health sciences followed by a masters.

Basically, I'm wondering what the courses are like. I've read up about them but it would be great to hear from someone taking a speech path course as to how they find the course, what the subjects are and how they're finding them and even what clinic prac is like and the main aspects of the course- a breakdown really.

Thanks for your help! :)
 

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Well i'm doing OT at the moment, however I've got a few speech path friends - however i can only tell you about 1st year and a bit about second

Overall I believe the course is quite difficult!
THeres a lot of grammar, phonetics and linguistics that many of my friends find difficult to understand at times - I recommend you go to the grammar bridging course in the summer holidays before uni as it helps a lot and you get to meet a few speech path people before uni actually starts!! :)

I think you have an anatomy type subject that deals with the face - that is generally quite difficult

I think they have some introductory psychology/cognitive/brain subject that I think most of them find quite boring.

Human cell biology - basic review of chemistry and biology - many people find this easy and boring as they didm chemistry and bio at school

You do a few neuroscience subjects and learn about the communication diseases/illnesses surrounding he brain such stuttering

I think they have a paediatrics subject where they learn about speech in children

Not too sure what else

Overall, even though it's a pretty difficult subject i think the majority of them enjoy it and it's not too many hours (22 i think this semester). Because it's a specialised course, you're with your friends for almost every class, and you can actually retain friendships throughout the years that you're there instead of like main campus where you may make a friend one semester then never see them again. The vibe on the cumberland campus is very relaxed, it's a pretty small campus with ~5000 people all together, it's easy to make friends with other disciplines as everyone is happy to talk and make friends.

It is a very female dominant course, I think there is 4 guys/80-100 people :p

I don't know what else to say, but if you have any other questions that I might be able to answer, ill try to help :)
 

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Wow thank you!
Great to hear about the campus atmosphere as well, sounds great. I was considering the bridging course for grammar, will check it out.
Do you know where the main focus is within the course, as in is it more science or English based? I study a lot of the humanities subjects and do find that side of things interesting, but I also take bio and chem so hopefully both aspects are part of the course.
Is there are great deal of ATAR movement around the health science courses from year to year, they seem to be trending upward, is this type of course increasing in popularity?
 

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Wow thank you!
Great to hear about the campus atmosphere as well, sounds great. I was considering the bridging course for grammar, will check it out.
Do you know where the main focus is within the course, as in is it more science or English based? I study a lot of the humanities subjects and do find that side of things interesting, but I also take bio and chem so hopefully both aspects are part of the course.
Is there are great deal of ATAR movement around the health science courses from year to year, they seem to be trending upward, is this type of course increasing in popularity?
It's a mixture of both science and english, it think it stays pretty much the same throughout the years that you're there
Science is more the basis whereas English is more the practical side of the degree

Yeah, since people will always be sick and need health professionals, more people are realising that health courses have really good job prospects and can be extremely rewarding as well (myself included), therefore the popularity of these courses are increasing.
 

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Thanks. Last thing (sorry for all the questions)
Is it possible to take a combined degree of science and arts, and then enrol in a masters course of speech (or any other health science for that matter)? There's no such thing as a combined health science and arts is there?
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No there's no health science and arts

I think you can do masters of speech path after you do arts/sci, you just have to do a few fundamental subjects first because you have no prior knowledge to the speech subjects

However:
- speech paths with a bachelors degree are looked more highly upon than speech paths with masters as they've had more clinical experience
- you might not get accepted into masters of speech path (I think it's pretty competitive)
- If you want to ultimately end up in speech pathology, then that's just another 2 extra years that you have to spend in uni
- Masters is expensive and you can't HECS it

These are just my thoughts, if you have a plan in mind then go ahead, however i just wanted to state what I thought
 

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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that about the bachelors vs masters degrees
Yeah I think I'll end up in speech, I've got a lot of interests in other areas like psych, but some of that comes under speech. Plus theres always the option of future study
 

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Thanks for the info, I didn't know that about the bachelors vs masters degrees
Yeah I think I'll end up in speech, I've got a lot of interests in other areas like psych, but some of that comes under speech. Plus theres always the option of future study
yeah, some speech subjects involve psych :p
 

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Heeeey :p I just graduated from speech path last year. Yeah its like what the above posts say: pretty much half sciencey (not just hsc science, I mean like neurology, anatomy, dysphagia [swallowing] etc) and half Englishy (like language, stuttering, phonological speech errors etc.). But both science and englishy subjects overlap all the time e.g. 'aphasia'. You also have random but important subjects too like ethics, statistics, psychology, counselling

Regarding applying for Masters degree ..... you can apply for ANY masters degree if you maintain a credit average at uni or a GPA of around 5 (>5.5 would be best). However, some Masters course such as physio and pharmacy require pre-requistes ($$$); but I don't think Masters of speech path has any. If you do a masters degree you will get paid more compared to a regular bachelors degree lololol! But in my opinion I'd rather just do speech pathology directly (bachelors) because it saves time hence money! >__< Plus, you get to mingle with your cohort for 4 years loool :p Also, if you do Masters you're thrown into clinical placements on your own... but if you do bachelors, they like hold your hand in the beginning so you go in in baby steps haha! Oh and if you do a bachelors degree you can do Honours on top of that lol.

Ummm regarding the down-side of speech path is............ CLINICAL PLACEMENTS. LOOOL there's so much paperwork and it is VERY VERY STRESSFUL ASK ANYONE THEY WILL SAY THE SAME THING UNLESS THEY'RE JUST AWESOME :D!! But don't worry, YOU WILL GET THROUGH IT!!!

I've read up about them but it would be great to hear from someone taking a speech path course as to how they find the course, what the subjects are and how they're finding them and even what clinic prac is like and the main aspects of the course- a breakdown really.
Okay so now to your actual question:
Q1. How I found the course: Initially I was excited about going to uni, but I soon realised it was pretty much like highschool because the Cumberland campus is so small and looks like a highschool hehe :p! In terms of the actual course, I personally found it demanding academically and emotionally. At the end of 4th year, our whole grade had to write a "metaphor" to describe what the course was like... what we came up with was along the lines of "having a baby without an epidural injection. But afterwards you just forget about it all cuz you're just so happy to have your child" (Can't remember the exact metaphor but it was something along those lines!). Additionally, we started off with around 120 students, but only 50 something graduated (and only 1 male graduated in 2012 lol). First year was a pain because you had long hours at uni, sometimes 8am starts and you'd finish at 6pm too at times. As the years go by, you'd have less work academically but more clinical placements. Make the most of your breaks in 1st year to "hang out" with your friends, because in 2-4th year your breaks would consist of doing group assignments and clinical paperwork

Q2. What the subjects are: Alot lol! I think I covered this in a previous post *tries to find it*. Okay found it, basically if you're interested you can google these terms: phonology, semantics, syntax, morphology, dysarthria, dysphagia, dysphonia, apraxia of speech, stuttering, aphasia, pragmatics, phonetics, linguistics, phonological awareness.

Q3. How did I find the academic subjects? For anatomy and neurology subjects try not to cram it in for the exam. Also, you need to know your cranial nerves for life, but you'll know them off by heart by 3rd year. For the other subjects such as stuttering I found them not too bad. Some group assignments were a pain though =/ LOL! I think the hardest subject in my opinion was voice (dysphonia) cuz it was quite "abstract" and neurogenic communication disorders (both learnt in 3rd year).

Q4. What clinical prac is like?
Second year: You have your first clinical placement in 2nd year and you will be split into two groups. One group will start off with a 'preschool' placement where you have to find your own preschool and go there once a week for 12 weeks to 'observe' typically developing kids and run language activities. In the second group, you will have a 4th year mentor and you will be basically providing therapy to a real client at the university clinic. Intially, the 4th year will do everything, but as the weeks go by you will eventually run the sessions on your own (don't worry it's more scary for the 4th year student :p lololol). In terms of clinical paperwork, you will be writing up session plans. When I was in 2nd year, my session plans were around 14 pages long; BUT THANKFULLY they cut that all out now. You'd probably be writing around 4 pages max for session plans (Note: this is different for off-campus placements where session plans can get up to 20 pages....no idea why LOL).

Third year: You'll have the following
1. weekly school placement with peers
2. weekly adult placement (either stuttering OR a stroke placement at St Josephs Hospital) with a partner (have your own individual client and group sessions)
3. assessment clinic where you will be administering language assessments on 1 child with a partner
4. neuro block (4 days a week for 4 weeks) e.g. at a hospital
5. viva: you're in a group of 4 and you need to plan an assessment for a hypothetical child. Then you will be interviewed by the clinical educators who will ask you random questions and you need to role-play (you need to pass this to move onto 4th year)

Fourth year:
1. on-campus placement (1st semester): (a) you will mentor a 2nd year and have your own individual client, (b) you'll have another client for diagnostic clinic, (c) you have 1 session of voice placement at the children's hospital, (d) weekly school placement. You might have an additional university clinic client if something happens.

2. off-campus placement (2nd semester): (a) 4 days a week for 6 weeks for paediatric placement, (b) 4 days a week for 6 weeks for adult placement. Note: some peers might have 3 days a week for 8 weeks, so it depends on what placement you get.


I think that's it unless I missed something!!!

Q5. main aspects of the course- I think I covered that above :p


Do you know where the main focus is within the course, as in is it more science or English based? I study a lot of the humanities subjects and do find that side of things interesting, but I also take bio and chem so hopefully both aspects are part of the cours
You'll be fine. I also did bio and chem in highschool lololol! And yeah that's good you like humanities, you'll love the essays then :p hehehe!!


Is there are great deal of ATAR movement around the health science courses from year to year, they seem to be trending upward, is this type of course increasing in popularity?
Yep, when I finished highschool (2008) the cut-off for speech path was 87.45 (UAI though, so probably an atar of like 89?). But the last time I checked the ATAR for speech path was like 93 or 96 or something (2012)?????? It's probably cuz no-one is applying for pharmacy anymore :p AHAHAHHA (since chemist warehouse killed all the jobs lol). But it's VERY hard to find a speech path government job, just saying lol.



If you have any other questions just post them up :p
 
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Thank you!! Some great info there :) I don't get why guys don't get into the health sciences- particularly speech, strange how only 1 guy graduated the course (congrats btw on graduating!)
I was wondering, are you able to transfer into the course after doing one year of another (maybe unrelated) degree at usyd? Is this difficult?
 

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Thank you!! Some great info there :) I don't get why guys don't get into the health sciences- particularly speech, strange how only 1 guy graduated the course (congrats btw on graduating!)
I was wondering, are you able to transfer into the course after doing one year of another (maybe unrelated) degree at usyd? Is this difficult?
Yeah you can transfer, a few of my friends transferred from bachelor of science, bachelor of advanced science and bachelor of health science into the more specialised health science degrees (including speech)

You need a credit or distinction average depending what you want to transfer into
 

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I was wondering, are you able to transfer into the course after doing one year of another (maybe unrelated) degree at usyd? Is this difficult?
Yep you can definately transfer into ANY course at whatever time (e.g. after 1 years, 2 years ...) if you maintain at least a credit average (except like medicine or design courses etc. where you need to do extra things such as UMAT, portfolio etc. lolol). You can study history, information technology or maths at uni and still transfer into speech path haha! :p

HOWEVER if you graduate from your degree, then you are considered a post-grad student; and would need a gpa of like 5 to do masters etc. There's possibly also limited spots for post-grad students compared to new HSC students if you wanted to an undergraduate course (i.e. not masters, not post-grad course).

You can transfer out of speech path also, like alot of my friends dropped out of speech path to transfer into other courses e.g. a friend dropped out to study nursing at UTS after studying speech path for 3 years; another switched to occupational therapy after studying speech path for 2 years etc... so hence you can definately transfer to a different course whenever you like :)!
 

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