The official BOS 'Pro-Constitutional Monarchy' thread (1 Viewer)

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katie_tully said:
1. It's a forum. Therefore everybody provides answers.
2. The British didn't implement the 'White Australia Policy'. That policy was introduced after Federation in 1901.
3. Most forms asking you to identify with Aboriginal/Torres Straight Islander heritage for purely for statistical purposes.
4. You're confused because you're an idiot.
1. You did not provide the answers I was searching for, nor did anybody else. When I pointed out it wasn't what I wanted, you made it sound like you'd done me a huge favor and I'd blown it back in your face.
2. I'm sorry, weren't Aussies then still "British"? Mother country and all? Blah blah blah...
3. I don't think scholarships and information evenings are for statistics. Schools ask you your place of birth etc. at the enrolment stage, I don't see why the need to ask you continiously, like "Do you have AIDS?"
4. Thanks, I'm flattered you've taken the time to form an opinion about me :)
 
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1.Of course they weren't freaking British. What the hell do you think Federation was? A naming ceremony?
2. They don't ask your AIDS status on forms because it's privvy information. I work for the Health Department and I am telling you, the reason they ask for your Aboriginality on forms is purely for statistical reasons. It is so they can determine what services are used by Aboriginal or Non Aboriginal people. If you're asked for your Aboriginality on a scholarship form it's for statistical purposes unless otherwise specified. Otherwise specified would include 'Scholarships for people with Aboriginality'. They'd ask for your Aboriginality at an information evening so that they can provide Aboriginals with services specifically aimed at Aboriginals.
Is that making sense to you?
 

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katie_tully said:
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1.Of course they weren't freaking British. What the hell do you think Federation was? A naming ceremony?
2. They don't ask your AIDS status on forms because it's privvy information. I work for the Health Department and I am telling you, the reason they ask for your Aboriginality on forms is purely for statistical reasons. It is so they can determine what services are used by Aboriginal or Non Aboriginal people. If you're asked for your Aboriginality on a scholarship form it's for statistical purposes unless otherwise specified. Otherwise specified would include 'Scholarships for people with Aboriginality'. They'd ask for your Aboriginality at an information evening so that they can provide Aboriginals with services specifically aimed at Aboriginals.
Is that making sense to you?
1. Then what's with the freak who started this thread, praising Britain and all that crap? Time to cut the umbilical cord. Besides, I'd like to blame the British for everything that is screwed today :)
2. I meant that your AIDS status changes. You might not have it today, you might get it tomorrow. That's why it's an on-going question. Like cancer, etc.. You get the picture. But if you're born Aboriginal, you stay Aboriginal. Unless you're a freak like Jackson who thinks he isn't black anymore... I don't see why they have to ask this question if they already know when you've enrolled with all the necessary information.

Statistics, fine, that's always an excuse for everything. It "makes sense" to an extent. But they keep asking. It's ridiculous. Can't they just put a star next to that person's name or something? Even excursions.. "Are you Ab/TSI?" What has that got to do with anything?! It's ridiculous.
 
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1. Then what's with the freak who started this thread, praising Britain and all that crap? Time to cut the umbilical cord. Besides, I'd like to blame the British for everything that is screwed today :)
2. I meant that your AIDS status changes. You might not have it today, you might get it tomorrow. That's why it's an on-going question. Like cancer, etc.. You get the picture. But if you're born Aboriginal, you stay Aboriginal. Unless you're a freak like Jackson who thinks he isn't black anymore... I don't see why they have to ask this question if they already know when you've enrolled with all the necessary information.

Statistics, fine, that's always an excuse for everything. It "makes sense" to an extent. But they keep asking. It's ridiculous. Can't they just put a star next to that person's name or something? Even excursions.. "Are you Ab/TSI?" What has that got to do with anything?! It's ridiculous.
Oh my god.
 

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Remove the Queen from our constitution and replace her duties and functions with Katie Tully :eek:

and also fucking lol @ at that dumb bitch saying the abos would rather be extinct than have been removed from their useless parents :D
 

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If you believe conquering Australia was wrong, then leave. Those of us who are willing to conquer and subjugate abos will continue to live here. :D
 

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I dont like the fact that even today, if there is a stalemate in parliament then the Govenor General can "dismiss" a voted in member of parliament and head of a party that has been voted in via majority. It caused a huge outcry in the 70's and still nothing has been changed, it is an ongoing threat.
 
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I had a look yesterday at the official guidelines as to why we ask for Aboriginality, sex and marital status. It's for statistical purposes.

I'm always right.
 

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[This is the text of a speech given by the Late Mr. Neville Bonner , former Senator for Queensland and the first Aborigial member of the federal parliament, who addressed the Constitutional Convention on 4 February, 1998. This was the only speech at the Convention which was followed by a standing ovation]

Mr BONNER - As a Jagera elder from Queensland, I pay respect to the elders of this tribal country. Fellow Australians, I speak to you today with a heavy heart. A friend of mine and fellow Aborigine Cec Fisher once inscribed a book of poems to me with the words `to the old man'. In it is the poem entitled `Memories and the Pain'. It tells the story of my people and it goes like this:

You came ashore, pale like spirit people
Took our land, forest, river, hills and plain

Gave us Christianity, changed our future

Left us with Memories and the Pain.

You killed our ancestors or imprisoned them

Our mother earth you plundered for your gain

From her breast rich mineral ores you extracted

Helplessly we watched, left with Memories and the Pain.

Towns were built as civilisation imprisoned my people
No longer allowed hunting, fishing, these things you wouldn't explain

Government policies and law took our land away from us
All we have are Memories and the Pain.

Two hundred years down the track will it ever change?

Land Rights marches, protest, anger, promises once again

Policies, the Aboriginal Land Bill said to make amends

Still they come back, the Memories and the Pain.

[O you delegates] . . . think a while, dispossession, stolen kids
Old Marpoon, Noonkunbah, Death in Custody, tied together by chain

In your wisdom of one people one country, help lock out
Our haunting Memories and the Pain.

Regardless of the policies, reconciliation and the rest

Thoughts of our Aboriginality will always remain

Time will never diminish the black deeds of history

We will carry forever, Memories and the Pain.

You came to my country. You invaded my land. You took our Earth (our everything). You poisoned my waterholes. You killed my people. You gave away my land. You imposed your law on my people. You ignored the instructions of liberal colonial secretaries to deal with us and respect us.

And then, 150 years ago, you were given self-government. You established your own parliaments and your own governments. And a century ago you agreed among yourselves to establish your federation. And then slowly you began to change. You began to do what the British had told you to do before self-government. You began to accept that my people had rights; that they were entitled to respect; that we were God's children too.

You employed us, paying us, on some occasions, a fair wage. You allowed us to serve in your army, to serve and honour your King and your country. You even elected me to your parliament. And today you have a growing articulate, educated body of indigenous people, a people who more and more control their own future, a people who will play an increasing role in this country. They are a people who already bring honour to the country in sports, the arts and intellectual activities.

Mr Chairman, fellow delegates, you did not ask my people if you could come here. You did not ask my people if you could occupy our land. You did not ask my people if you could stop us from living our traditional lives. You did not ask my people if we would wish to live under your laws, under your government and in your federation. I speak today, as I said, with a sad heart.

We have come to accept your laws. We have come to accept your Constitution. We have come to accept the present system. We believed you when you said that a democracy must have checks and balances. We believed you when you said that not all positions in society should be put out for election. We believed you when you said that judges should be appointed, not elected. We believed you when you said that the Westminster system ensures that the government is accountable to the people. We believed you when you taught us that integral to the Westminster system is a head of state who is above politics. We believed you when you said that, as with the judiciary, Government House must also be a political-free zone. We believed you when you said that it is not important that the Crown has greater powers and that what was important was that the Crown denies those powers to the politicians. I was one of them. We believed you when you said it is now our country too and that we should be fully involved in deciding its future.

You have taught us all this. You have taught us to accept the way in which the country is governed. You told us that this is the most democratic system, a system which is equal to Canada and New Zealand. We believed you. We accept all this and now the educated, articulate Australian is no longer your preserve alone. We, too, can be educated and articulate, respected Australians.

My heart is heavy today - not for me, fellow Australians; God has been kind to me. I have seen my 76 years in this country. I am not a rich man, but I am proud to say that I have had the great joy of having five sons, three white step-children and 28 grandchildren. But my heart is heavy. I worry for my children and my grandchildren. I worry that what has proven to be a stable society, which now recognises my people as equals, is about to be replaced.

How dare you? I repeat: how dare you? You told my people that your system was best. We have come to accept that. We have come to believe that. The dispossessed, despised adapted to your system. Now you say that you were wrong and that we were wrong to believe you. Suddenly you are saying that what brought the country together, made it independent, ensured its defence, saw it through peace and war, and saw it through depression and prosperity, must all go.

I cannot see the need for change. I cannot see how it will help my people. I cannot see how it will resolve the question of land and access to land that troubles us. I cannot see how it will ensure that indigenous people have access to the same opportunities that other Australians enjoy. Fellow Australians, what is most hurtful is that after all we have learned together, after subjugating us and then freeing us, once again you are telling us that you know better. How dare you? How dare you?
I look across this chamber and I cannot fail to see the very rich among you. You have had the very good luck to have great wealth, to have been so well educated in your schools and universities. I ask you: what reason do you have now in 1998 to tell the indigenous people that we must again accept what you have decided about our country? Why are you doing this? You know the change you propose will have no effect on the problems of my people and of the country. I plead with you to apply your great talents and your great wealth to overcome these.

You have taught us that, in a democracy, democratic power must be limited; that in the Westminster system there must be an umpire; that he or she must be above politics; that solutions to problems - supply crises, for example - must be handled responsibly, efficiently and swiftly. Republicanism is a vote of no confidence in the existing system, but you forget that you have taught us to love, honour and respect that system.

As I said, I have a heavy heart. I ask you: what are you doing? Are you not already divided enough on other issues, real issues, real problems? Why are you diverting attention from these issues? We have come to respect and honour our Governor-General, for the reason that he cares about these issues. I cannot see that a political president, elected or appointed, who cares more about whether he receives a 21- or 19-gun salute, whether or not he is the subject of a toast, whether or not he will be re-elected and to what extent he will be funded and supported after his term, would care one jot more for my people.

From the bottom of my heart, I pray you: stop this senseless division. Let us work together on the real issues. Let us solve those problems which haunt my people - the problems of land, of health, of unemployment, of the despair and hopelessness which leads even to suicide. Let us unite this country, not divide it ever - that toy of those who already have too much: mere symbolism. Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to end what I have already said by singing my Jagera sorry chant. My heart is sad. I look around this chamber and see that the total number of indigenous people of this vast country numbers six. That is an indictment on someone - I do not know whom. Because of the lack of a populous number of indigenous people on this momentous occasion, it makes me sad indeed.

[Mr Bonner thereupon chanted his tribal sorry chant.]

CHAIRMAN - Thank you very much, Neville Bonner. Jim, you will need to be in good voice. I now call on my very dear former colleague and friend, the Hon. Sir James Killen.

Sir JAMES KILLEN - I never thought that the word `gracious' could be used in relation to indictment, but this chamber, and indeed the country today, has been presented with a gracious indictment against it, and that indictment has been presented by my old friend Neville Bonner. It is a very old friendship indeed and a very precious one. There was one blemish, if I may presume to say so, which resided in my friend's speech. He said he was not a rich man. For myself, I take the view it is not what a man or a woman has in his or her house that counts; it is what the man or the woman has in his or her heart that counts.
Having said that to my old friend, let me say this: I know of few people in this country who command affection and admiration as does Neville Bonner. In that sense, my old friend, you are a very rich man indeed. If you want to regard that as a rebuke, then you and I will adjourn to the Condamine of old where I had, years ago, swum in a certain state of disrobe with your people.

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This thread needs a serious bump.

CONSTITUTION-MONARCHY 4 EVER! Let Freedom reign.
 

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ok so if "they're not in control". What is the purpose of including 'the crown' in Australia's constitution??
 

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to tell you the truth, i feel awkward flying the Aussie flag. i usually have the green and gold flag with the boxing kangaroo on it. wtf is our flag, its got a flag of another country on it. fuck that.
 

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