The Socialist Alliance (1 Viewer)

[Phanatical]

Exactly - their mentality is that they must Not conform to society - so much so that even their appearance must challenge society's notions of what is right.

Of course, they just look like idiots and cost their cause credibility by looking like idiots.

 

[miaomiao]

So what if they "act radical" and go against the current mass culture and way of thinking. Is that a crime, whats so wrong about doing that?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The problem is not that they are doing it, it is that they are doing it because they feel that they have to be doing it.... if mass culture started following the clothes they wear, they'd change their clothes.

 

[Comrade nathan]

So what if they "act radical" and go against the current mass culture and way of thinking. Is that a crime, whats so wrong about doing that?

They are meant to be a workers party, so they need to appeal to the workers so they can reperesnt them.

mass culture started following the clothes they wear, they'd change their clothes.

I think your being sterotypicaly

 

[Phanatical]

The problem for the socialists is that they can no longer appeal to workers, because the distinction between blue-collar workers, white-collar workers and employers has become blurred in modern society. For example, a worker for a mining industry, who has invested in 3 properties and shares. Is he a member of the proletariat, or the bourgeoisie?

I have raised this point constantly with many in the left-wing. Instead of looking like idiots, they should dress respectfully and pay some attention to their personal hygiene. Only when they look credible, will people even consider the possibility that their policies may have credibility.

 

[Arvin Sloane]

Being a Socialist is like being a person who has this one joke, but it's really annoying and he doesn't know to shut-up. Or like a person who doesn't know the parties is over. At 4pm the next day. They continue to stick to a completely unrealistic philosophy, and despite the overwhelming evidence towards capitalism they insist that somehow their deluded beliefs will work out. I suspect, and don’t tell anyone else, that with that group there is a exponentially higher amount of drug use.

As you can see my distaste for these so called 'idealist' is actually palpable.

 

[Phanatical]

No, there are a lot of things wrong with capitalism. It's just that instead of addressing the flaws for what they are, they challenge the Entire basis of our society. They believe that they must overthrow the bourgeoisie in a glorious socialist revolution, because that is what Marx wrote. They do not understand that the society we live in works under a different set of rules to the society Marx lived in - and that they can never lead a glorious socialist revolution because this is a society of apathetic people who quite frankly, Are happy with their lot in life.

 

[azzie]

there are a lot of things wrong with captialism but while we live in a world of multi billion dollar trans-national corporations, nothing is going to change...

 

[absolution*]

They believe that they must overthrow the bourgeoisie in a glorious socialist revolution, because that is what Marx wrote. They do not understand that the society we live in works under a different set of rules to the society Marx lived in - and that they can never lead a glorious socialist revolution because this is a society of apathetic people who quite frankly, Are happy with their lot in life.

Oh my. I dont think youll find too many modern socialists who are expecting to overthrow the bourgeoisie. Adhering to and promoting socialist ideals is different to the highly unrealistic task of reversing the wheels of capitalism which are firmly set in motion.

 

[Generator]

there are a lot of things wrong with captialism but while we live in a world of multi billion dollar trans-national corporations, nothing is going to change...

Nothing will change with too many people such as yourself admitting that it is a hopeless cause .

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The world can be both 'fair' and economically prosperous... Economically and socially equitable, in other words. The only problem is in creating such a world... Free yet fairer world or global trade would be a start.

(Just for the record, I do not believe in a global system of economic equality, so try not to criticise my stance from that angle).

 

[azzie]

Nothing will change with too many people such as yourself admitting that it is a hopeless cause .

sorry realism is my downfall
no but seriously, i would love things to change, and that social responsibility could be something every corpration takes on board.... but i dont think its going out happen in our lifetimes kids...
neway, you have to legislate for corporations, not just expect them to do their own thing
thats off topic though

 

[Generator]

Realism to the extreme... I would rather work towards an eventual goal than give up because the outcome is not a realistic achievement within our lifetimes, but that's just me.

Off-topic or not, I would expect governmental regulation of the corporate sector in order for a more equitable world to emerge... Free trade is only effective through enforced competition, afterall.

 

[azzie]

free trade has done a lot to degrade the environment, offshore jobs and save some rich greasy bastard money. on the flip side, its also created jobs for people who are desperate to work.... sure its for pittance and in terrible conditions... but hey!
meh free trade is the way of the future. thats pretty much it. i dont know if there will be an eventual swing away from capitalism for our society though, after all, a lot of people are getting fed up with the actions of TNC's, but they still wear their clothes, sit on their couches, eat their food and watch their TV's......
irony.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Corporations will act responsible because the public will punish them if they don't, when mc donalds only offered fatty foods they started to be attacked, they were losing sales, so they introduced new healthier foods.

As for jobs going overseas, is it not fair that if someone can do a better job for less, that they get the job? If you're worried about it, work harder.
Protectionism does nothing, it saves jobs in the short term and allows industries to become downgraded and inefficient.

 

[azzie]

Protectionism does nothing, it saves jobs in the short term and allows industries to become downgraded and inefficient.

yes.

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