UF student tasered for asking questions (1 Viewer)

[Azamakumar]

his right to do so. You are kidding if everyone exercised their right to do watever they felt the whole world would be in complete turmoil quite obviously you have some type of world view of liberalising everything and promoting open anarchism. Youre a joke he was kindly asked to stop speaking and continued to disobey authority if people think that is ok they will take it further and further and authority will not be respected

He continued because Kerry wanted him to.

 

[williams180]

shouldnt u be studying economics now anyway so u can get that band 6 u aint gonna get atm

 

[Azamakumar]

shouldnt u be studying economics now anyway so u can get that band 6 u aint gonna get atm

Yeah except the top 60% of my cohort achieves the band 6 given that the level of economics taught at my school is well above the state average.

And I take that feeble attempt at a personal insult as you conceeding defeat once again in a debate, if you could call presenting such dimwitted views that.

 

[Retrovertigo]

Is it wrong that I got a little aroused when I watched the video of him being tasered?

 

[williams180]

Yeah except the top 60% of my cohort achieves the band 6 given that the level of economics taught at my school is well above the state average.

And I take that feeble attempt at a personal insult as you conceeding defeat once again in a debate, if you could call presenting such dimwitted views that.

thats good stuff i hope u get that band 6.It was u that tried to downplay my result the otherday dont know why maybe cause u couldnt accept that im just naturally good at it. Also attacking the standard of my school when one person got an aligned 100 last yr for economics and two others of 97 and im getting higher internals than they did last yr similar tests and same teacher. And as far as the debate goes it isnt really a debate its just common sense u dont act like a lunatic in public cause thats just lewd behavior and we cant have that type of stuff going down.
Also i never concede mainly cause i never lose- unlike yourself

 

[Azamakumar]

Because clearly talking is lunacy. And I haven't really lost anything, cept my virginity, a night which I am sure your mother will remember for years to come.

 

[williams180]

sad- thought u were better than that. Actually no i didnt i knew u were retarded from the start

 

[onebytwo]

i'll have you two know that i can rape you at economics. so stfu about it already.

 

[tommykins]

At first I thought he was dead serious about his sisues and that he had a passion for it, but his contiunuous screaming about "I WANNA ASK THE QUESTIONS" in an angry tone didnt help. Also the fact t hat he placed evidence with the smartass tone didn't help either.

When the security guards came, he did resist arrest and made an ass of himself. Screaming like a lunatic.

IMO deserved it for the way he acted, but not for what he believed in.

EDIT- anyone find it kinda weird that the angle in which the video is shot is like, perfectly placed on him?

 

[Graney]

At first I thought he was dead serious about his sisues and that he had a passion for it, but his contiunuous screaming about "I WANNA ASK THE QUESTIONS" in an angry tone didnt help. Also the fact t hat he placed evidence with the smartass tone didn't help either.

Being crap at public speaking is reason enough for a tasering? I'll come taser your english class..

EDIT- anyone find it kinda weird that the angle in which the video is shot is like, perfectly placed on him?

That is weird... OMG Conspiracy! Jews did WTC!

 

[williamc]

Because clearly talking is lunacy. And I haven't really lost anything, cept my virginity, a night which I am sure your mother will remember for years to come.

Why would you want to have sex with his mother? But then again, she is probably better than anything you will ever get, if you do end up having sex with anything besidies a prosie. But then again, i highly doubt even a prosie would smash ya.

 

[tommykins]

Who said that he was bad at public speaking? The way he carried himself was stupid.

And who the fuck said that he should be tasered for being a bad speaker? The cause of the arrest was his inability to listen to directions, which were made in a polite manner before he started making a scene of it.
He got tasered for resisting arrest, if you watched the aftermath the cops told him to calm down, which he still struggled with. If there are 5 cops on you, don't be a hero by resisting, let them arrest you and see what its for, if its nothing then they'll let you go, simple as that.

And the camera angle directly on him may have strengthened the argument that he setted it up and was seeking attention?

How about you stop being a fucking smartass now dickhead?

 

[scarybunny]

Why does his right to speak override everyone else's?

It doesn't. He had his turn, and he should have stepped aside and let someone else speak. It's common courtesy, not a matter of CONSTITUTIONAL RYTZ.

So fair enough that he was asked to leave. Lots of other people had questions, too, and they should be able to ask them.

 

[Azamakumar]

He continued because Kerry wanted to answer the questions he was asking. He was told to continue by Kerry yet stfu by security. Common sense would say let him talk if the man who's orders you follow wants him to.

The constitutional rights thing was merely a rebuttal to a previous post.

 

[scarybunny]

He continued because Kerry wanted to answer the questions he was asking. He was told to continue by Kerry yet stfu by security. Common sense would say let him talk if the man who's orders you follow wants him to.

The constitutional rights thing was merely a rebuttal to a previous post.

Actually the whole thing reflects pretty well on Kerry. This guy was being a pain in the ass and he was willing to put up with it, but I think it's understandable that everyone else was getting exasperated (students no doubt included).

It's like in shopping centres where a child throws a tantrum and the mother doesn't really care but it annoys everyone else.

Resisting police is always most unwise and unadvisable.

 

[DeathB4Life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc

 

[James1489]

The kid asked multiple times what he was being arrested for, and nobody bothered to tell him for what grounds he was being arrested until AFTER he was tased?..
If he asked multiple times what he was being arrested for and was not answered, it is called unlawful arrest.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting
officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This
premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the
case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the
officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally
accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with
very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right
to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What
may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter
in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been
committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without
affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction,
and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the
arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will
be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111.
491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v.
Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau,
241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right
to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by
force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense,
his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80;
Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an
arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by
the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private
individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State,
26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State,
43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to
be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in
defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and
battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case,
the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer
and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v.
Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as
he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus
it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an
officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without
resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In
his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which
the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various
branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be
no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the
Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded,
‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by
human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in
extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous
injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford
University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the
case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable,
and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of
the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the
peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy
v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.txt

Not only that, but the kid also said on video before they tased him that if they let him go he would walk out of the building on his own accord.

Every single officer involved in that arrest should be suspended for life.

Originally Posted by MissSavage29
Mmm makes you wonder about the security guards though.

Our criminal law lecturer was telling us that Australian police have to be sprayed in the eyes with pepper spray so when they do it in a situation they are not overzealous…

Makes you wonder if they have that training for them over there - cause it seemed like they wern't really that concerned using the tazer

Your lecturer wasn't bullshitting you. I've seen a video of that somewhere. I think on the news. But it really wasn't long ago. And the concept behind it explained to you was correct as well.
I too, wish that the US police had training with tasers in that regard.

 

[onebytwo]

Mmm makes you wonder about the security guards though.

Our criminal law lecturer was telling us that Australian police have to be sprayed in the eyes with pepper spray so when they do it in a situation they are not overzealous…

its true. my uncle is with the AFP and he said it came with basic training. when he had it sprayed in his eyes, he couldnt open them how hard he tried.
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[Graney]

Why does his right to speak override everyone else's?

Agreed absolutely.

The issue is appropriate force. He was clearly non-violent and could have been escorted from the building easily by competent security guards. If this is considered an appropriate response to non-violent protest, can activists at non-violent rally's and protests feel safe weapons won't be used on them in future?

Morally, police should apply the minimum amount of force necessary to control an offender. They're not meant to provide punishment. He isn't a big guy, they could have easily physically handled him.

He got tasered for resisting arrest

The force applied for this was excessive. I agree, he obviously needed to be removed from the event.

If there are 5 cops on you, don't be a hero by resisting

He's an activist. They don't work that way.

And the camera angle directly on him may have strengthened the argument that he setted it up and was seeking attention?

Do you realise how redundant what you're saying is? Of course he wanted attention. He's an activist. The cameraman may or may not have been a mate of his. Wtf does it matter?
He most likely knew he was going to be removed from the event. But I suspect he didn't expect to set himself up to be tasered and become international news. The camera only documents what happened.