UTS Law or MQLAW???? (1 Viewer)

[lucalegal]

Let me know??? Thanks

 

[Speed6]

Apparently UTS has good food, saw it on the forums somewhere so that might be nice. Who doesn't like food?

 

[lucalegal]

Why does everyone talk about UTS food haha

 

[Speed6]

Why does everyone talk about UTS food haha

No joke I actually want to go there and try the food. Apparently it's soooo good.

 

[astroman]

UTS Law or MQLAW

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Macquarie University


Stand-out features:

Heavy focus on elective law units, available in final 2 years of combined degree
Participation and Community Engagement (PACE) incorporating compulsory practical units into study program
Vibrant law students society
2013 ATAR cut-off: 96.90 and above (varies according to combined degree chosen).

The Macquarie law degree is done as a combined degree with one of the following other bachelor degrees: Arts, Arts (Media), Arts (Psychology), Social Science, Education, International Studies, Commerce, Commerce (Professional Accounting), Applied Finance, Business Administration, Science, Environment Engineering; or IT.

Teaching format: Most subjects have 1 x two-hour lecture and 1 x tutorial per week (though this can vary according to the course convenor’s [i.e. the person from the university who organises the subject] preferences).

Assessment: Assessment requirements vary across subjects. The majority of subjects have a mark for participation during tutorials (10%), a mid-semester assignment (10-15%), and a final exam or essay that makes up the bulk of the subject mark.

Subjects and credit points: The university requires students to complete enough subjects to reach a total of 72 credit points in order to graduate from the Bachelor of Laws. Each subject offered in the Macquarie University Bachelor of Law is worth 3 credit points. These subjects are drawn from:

15 compulsory units (45 credit points) made up of: Foundations of Law; Criminal Justice and Procedure; Law, Lawyers and Society; Contracts; Jurisprudence; Torts; Constitutional Law and Administration I & II; Property in Law and Equity I & II; International Law; Business Organisations; Remedies; Litigation; Professional and Community Engagement.

9 elective units (27 credit points) chosen from: International Human Rights Law; Law of International Organisations; International Trade & Finance, European Law & Institutions; Jessup International Law Moot; Conflict of Laws; Law of the Sea; War Law; International Dispute Settlement; Environmental Law; International Environmental Law; Climate Change & Energy Law; Issues in International Heritage & Conservation Law; Local Government & Planning Law; Consumer & Competition Law; Foundations of Commercial Law; Modern Corporate Governance; Taxation; Intellectual Property Law; Information Technology Law; Family Law; Succession; Health Law & Ethics; Advanced Torts; Labour Law; Law & Religion; Human Rights and Moral Dilemmas; Media Law; Discrimination and the Law; Dispute Management & Resolution; Indigenous Peoples & the Law; Access to Justice Placement Program; Politics and the Constitution; Advanced Administrative Law; and Advanced Legal Research Project.

Exchange opportunities: Law students may undergo exchanges to a number of international universities that offer legal studies programs.

Degree structure: 5 years full-time in conjunction with a second undergraduate degree.

Year 1:
Semester One: 3 subjects from other degree + 1 core law subject
Semester Two: 3 subjects from other degree + 1 core law subject

Year 2:
Semester One: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subjects
Semester Two: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subjects

Year 3:
Semester One: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subject
Semester Two: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subjects

Year 4:
Semester One: 1 core law subject + 3 elective law subjects
Semester Two: 1 core law subject + 3 elective law subjects

Year 5:
Semester One: 1 core law subject + 2 elective law subjects
Semester Two: 1 core law subject + 2 elective law subjects

Degree Overview: Having just celebrated its 40th anniversary, the Law Faculty of Macquarie University is one of the longer standing law schools in New South Wales and its reputation continues to grow. Particularly in recent years, the faculty has attracted some of Australia’s most respected academics in the field.

Reflecting on her time as a law student at Macquarie, fifth year student Hannah identifies passionate and accomplished lecturers and tutors as the greatest contributors to her enjoyment of her degree.

‘There are several great lecturers at Macquarie Law School, particularly for Contract and Business Law subjects. The faculty also offers a special summer seminar in International Criminal Law, taught by incredible lecturers with amazing experience – two prosecutors from the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and also the head of the forensic team on several UN mass grave sites.’

One unique feature of the Macquarie University law degree is the Participation and Community Engagement (PACE) program, which integrates compulsory practical, in-field units into the study program. Students are encouraged to participate in a range of professional activities, such as internships in commercial law firms, research projects under the supervision of academic lawyers, or volunteer with a legal not-for-profit organisation that provides access to lawyers and justice for disadvantaged members of the community. There are also opportunities for students to gain work experience through the Macquarie Law Centre, positioning them nicely for future employment.

The Macquarie University Law Society (MULS) offers a lively co-curricular and social program, with activities such as competitions that cater to more academically-minded students, as well as law balls and social events for those students who need to blow off some steam after too much time spent in the library.

www.law.mq.edu.au/home/

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The University of Technology, Sydney


Stand-out features:

Often 3 subjects per semester (rather than the standard 4), worth more credit points
Strong focus on practical skills
Study program involves (comparatively) small number of elective units
Practical Legal Training option incorporated into study program
Available to undergraduates as a stand-alone degree
2013 ATAR cut-off: 97.05 (may vary according to combined degree choice)
If undertaken as a combined degree, the Bachelor of Law can be combined with: Business, Engineering, Communication, Science, Information Technology, or International Studies.
Teaching format: Most subjects have 1 x 2 hour lecture + 1 x 1 hour tutorial per week. Some subjects have 2 x 1-2 hour seminars per week, or 1 x 3 hour seminar per week.

Assessment: Assessment requirements vary across subjects. All subjects have a mid-semester exam or assignment (usually worth 40%) and a final exam that is usually open-book (usually worth 50%). Most subjects also have a mark for participation during tutorials (usually 10%). Very occasionally, a subject will consist entirely of take-home assessments (either assignments or take-home exams due within a few days of their release).

Subjects and credit points: The university requires students to complete enough subjects to reach a total of 144 credit points in order to graduate from the Bachelor of Laws. The credit points allocated to subjects offered in the University of Technology's Bachelor of Law varies between 6 and 8 credit points. These subjects are drawn from:

17 compulsory units (102 credit points) made up of: Perspectives on Law; Legal Method and Research; Criminal Law; Torts; Contracts; Australian Constitutional Law; Real Property; Commercial Law; Equity and Trusts; Corporate Law; Administrative Law; Evidence and Criminal Procedure; Civil Litigation; and Ethics and Professional Conduct.

5 - 7 elective units (42 credit points chosen from the range of elective subjects; OR 30 credit points chosen from the range of elective subjects + 12 credit points of Practical Legal Training). Subject availability varies across semesters. The selection for 2013 and 2014 is available here: http://www.law.uts.edu.au/subjects/index.html

Exchange opportunities: UTS has around 70 partnerships with international universities spread across Europe, Asia, North, Central and South America, many of which offer law exchanges.

Degree Structure: 4 years full-time as a stand-alone degree; 5 years full-time in conjunction with a second bachelor degree.

The structure varies significantly depending on the student’s combined degree. However, a typical structure of a 5 year combined degree involves:

Year 1:
Semester One: 4 subjects from other degree
Semester Two: 1 subject from other degree + 2 core law subjects

Year 2:
Semester One: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subjects
Semester Two: 1 subject from other degree + 2 core law subjects

Year 3:
Semester One: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subjects
Semester Two: 1 subject from other degree + 2 core law subjects

Year 4:
Semester One: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 core law subjects
Semester Two: 2 subjects from other degree + 2 elective law subjects

Year 5:
Semester One: 2 subjects from other degree + 1 core law subject + 1 law elective subject
Semester Two: 4 law elective subjects

Degree overview: The University of Technology, Sydney has gained a reputation for degrees geared towards practical training and industry experience, and its law degree is no exception. With core subjects such as Civil Litigation that incorporate skills-based assessment such as negotiations, and a unique practical legal training program, UTS law students are well equipped with important professional skills by the time they graduate.
All law graduates in NSW are required to undergo a practical legal training course before they can be admitted to practice - but UTS is one of the few universities in Australia to offer an accredited Practical Legal Training (PLT) program that is integrated within the bachelor degree. The PLT program offers UTS students an alternative to undergoing study at the College of Law as most students do upon graduation. Places are limited within the UTS program, and students must pass certain academic subjects to qualify, in addition to completing a practical experience work placement of 16 weeks.

Students who decide not to undergo the PLT program in their final year of study instead have a choice of elective units. This option provides for students who are considering a career in academia rather than legal practice, or who would prefer to gain more specialised knowledge in a particular area of the law through focused subjects.

Law skills competitions form a significant part of the co-curricular program, with the opportunity for all students to participate in mooting, negotiating, client interview and witness examination competitions both internally and against teams from other universities. The faculty also promotes engagement in social justice causes, encouraging involvement in the Brennan Justice and Leadership program. The UTS law student society also offers social events to get to know other students, with a particular focus on integrating first year students. Some older students have reported that the campus culture can sometimes feel a little sparse, perhaps due to the tight city space of the UTS building. Fifth year student Jo comments about the law faculty,

‘spread over several buildings/campuses, there is no real common area to ‘hang out’. The renovation of the Haymarket campus has made it a little more appealing to spend time at uni even when you don’t have classes, but it will take more to shift the overall student culture of coming to uni just for class.’

Rebecca, a student in her final year of studies, reflects on her degree,

‘I think the real benefit of UTS is that its courses include a focus on ‘practicality’ that helps you gain work-ready skills, while providing a strong foundation of legal theory that encourages critical thinking and a ‘global outlook’. Tutors and lecturers really encourage unorthodox thinking and creative solutions. Also, the whole university prides itself on being flexible to suit your lifestyle, which means you can pursue other things while studying. For example, in addition to the fulltime/part time option, they repeat daytime courses in the evening (and record or podcast them). You can fast track elective subjects through intensive summer/winter sessions.’



www.law.uts.edu.au/
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some helpful sites:
- http://www.whatdegreewhichuniversit...aring-Law-Degrees-at-Universities-in-NSW.aspx
- http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1612964

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I found another thread similar to this: http://community.boredofstudies.org...s-plz-dont-bring-unsw-usyd-into-thankyou.html http://community.boredofstudies.org...q-uts-law-one-would-you-prefer-go-2015-a.html

Pros to studying at Macquarie

-has a greater international reputation
-new world class library opening in 2011
-great campus with lots of places to hang out with friends in between and after lectures
-more prestigious alumni who are involved in promoting Macq U worldwide
-more partner universities overseas so there are more options for international exchange
-higher starting salaries for law graduates from Macq U

Cons

-the teaching of law at Macquarie is more traditional and places more emphasis on theory over practicality

2)Pros to studying at UTS

-apparently the quality of teaching there is better
-the option to do Practical Legal Training as part of ur degree, which saves time and money, and also means u will be admitted as a legal practitioner sooner than graduates from other universities
-its really close to the city CBD and within easy reach of the entertainment facilities of the inner city, not to mention the districts of chinatown, the Haymarket and George Street
-apparently UTS combines the best of both theory and practicality
-UTS has more connections in Industry, and its easier to get internships or work placement opportunities with the support of the Law Students Society

Cons

-the lack of a campus (its just one big building)

 

[screwuhsc]

UTS ftw

 

[Omnipotence]

@astroman; damn son did you actually research all that?

 

[astroman]

@astroman; damn son did you actually research all that?

yes i was bored

 

[lucalegal]

Wow! Thanks heaps

 

[astroman]

cheerz brah