What's so good about med? (2 Viewers)

[dood09]

imo its so they can raep patients and get away with it.

 

[KFunk]

However the thing I want to understand, is how medicine came about to become so hyped.

As Po1nty identified, societies typically have a privileged place for 'healers'. Medicine is the modern extension I suppose. Whether or not you think the respect is deserved I hope that you can understand how it comes about. I do concede that medicine is commonly overly romanticised - but this happens with most things in life from what I've seen.

Plus, medicine is pretty awesome (from my perspective, as described in my 2nd post in this thread).

 

[Cookie182]

Haha, yeah, I went through a slap bass phase. Flea, Claypool and Wooten are fantastic players. You've probably come across them already, but if you dig slap-style playing you should check out Mark King (from level 42 - in particular the instrumental 'Mr pink' which is a lot of fun to learn) and Larry Graham. And while it is a tough competition, my favorite bass player is probably Meshell Ndegeocello (she has a phenomenal sense of groove).

Bass-wise my main axe is a 5-string (Ernie Ball) Musicman Stingray. Unfortunately the busy nature of this year has meant that I haven't been able to play that much. Alas!

P.S. Apologies for the thread spam... but, you know, basses are important.

Oh man stingrays are nice

Yea ive always been a huge RHCP fan..some of Flea's lines are just so melodic and others are just...well funky!! haha and yea ive seen some of Graham's stuff on youtube, its sweet as

Ive only really been into bass for about a year now. Being a pianst for a while i really wanted to move into more rock music, but yea uni def limits practice time (and im sure your work load is triple mine!).

PS- Also apologise for the irrelevancy of the post.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

*More addressed to POiNt, you said the money is only ok. I was under the impression doc's earned the most out of all the professions. Would a doc earn on average more then a commerce/law grad or an engineer (obviously these careers vary a lot more in terms of pay, but still?)

Not that money matters much to me at all, as long as i can get enough capital to start some property investment i'll be happy

Well yes in the US the average is very high about ~150,000 - 550,000 per annum after like 6-7 yrs post graduation.

the years between graduation and specialisation in Australia.. is about 50 000 to 100 000 per year.. this is Base pre-tax and negates overtime which is where the money is at.

its not bad money but it goes up fast but the upper SD 2+ would prolly be lower than comm/law graduates post 6-7 yrs.. but the mean is higher and the SD -2 isnt very far from the mean compared to the other grads where there would be greater disparity

edit to my previous post: John Snow and a hungarian obsterician are the other persons where toilets and washing hands were proved to be useful

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Plus, medicine is pretty awesome (from my perspective, as described in my 2nd post in this thread).

more or less than ur bass?..

 

[Cookie182]

Well yes in the US the average is very high about ~150,000 - 550,000 per annum after like 6-7 yrs post graduation.

the years between graduation and specialisation in Australia.. is about 50 000 to 100 000 per year.. this is Base pre-tax and negates overtime which is where the money is at.

its not bad money but it goes up fast but the upper SD 2+ would prolly be lower than comm/law graduates post 6-7 yrs.. but the mean is higher and the SD -2 isnt very far from the mean compared to the other grads where there would be greater disparity

edit to my previous post: John Snow and a hungarian obsterician are the other persons where toilets and washing hands were proved to be useful

yea there is definately a lower level of variability compared to law grads. Thanks for the info

also how coincidental- im currently studying for my stats midsession tomorrow, and your mentioning standard deviations!

lol im getting quite over flicking between the z, t and chi square tables!!

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

yea there is definately a lower level of variability compared to law grads. Thanks for the info

also how coincidental- im currently studying for my stats midsession tomorrow, and your mentioning standard deviations!

lol im getting quite over flicking between the z, t and chi square tables!!

no probs

im a big fan of stats when used properly and yes i too hate those tables .. i just get them calculated from Matlab nowadays lol

 

[katie tully]

I want to get into Grad Medicine ... not for the money, because if I get in I'm looking at probably another 10 years (including the remainder of this degree) studying...

I want to do it purely because I have a deep seated fascination with medicine, and the interactions of the body, and the body systems and aaaaah, it's all so interesting.

lol @ all the responses on this thread through. Why do you all seem to think that medicine involves dealing with dead or dying people on a daily basis?

 

[KFunk]

*More addressed to POiNt, you said the money is only ok. I was under the impression doc's earned the most out of all the professions. Would a doc earn on average more then a commerce/law grad or an engineer (obviously these careers vary a lot more in terms of pay, but still?)

This document should give you a reasonable idea for private practitioners (note that they are late / established career figures). In the public system: the salary for staff specialists employed in the public system is in the order of $230,000.

 

[Cookie182]

This document should give you a reasonable idea for private practitioners (note that they are late / established career figures). In the public system: the salary for staff specialists employed in the public system is in the order of $230,000.

yea the money is definately high (albeit, a lot of work goes in though). As PoInT pointed out; their isn't a huge variation around the mean compared to other professions. It seems that the average salary in the specialties sticks around 200-300 k which is a very very good living! As the article points out, doctors often get compared to the salaries of the rare lawyer who is a partner on a million plus, but im convinced that the average salary in commerce or law is much lower. The problem with my choosen career path is the versatility- it truly does depend on the area you end up on, and wages vary quite considerably.

Having said that, i do know a friends father who earns similar to a doc and he is a Senior Engineer at some Syd firm.

 

[KFunk]

There are some hectic doc out there too. Word on the street has it that there are some inner city opthalmologists raking in ~ $1 mil / year (each) doing mainly cataract surgeries.

And then there is that california surgeon who does vaginoplasty (designer vaginas) making some obscene figure like $12 mil.

(Edit: typo!)

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

yeah i know engineers that earn similar money too .. its not that crazy to think that.

i like med at the moment im looking at sterilisation processes and how to perform them.. 2 months ago I was assisting on heart surgery and only 1 month after doing original work in infectious diseases

 

[Cookie182]

There are some hectic doc out there too. Word on the street has it that there are some inner city opthalmologists raking in ~ $1 mil / year (each) doing mainly cataract surgeries.

And then there is that california surgeon who does vaginoplasty (designer vaginas) making some obscene figure like $12 mil.

(Edit: typo!)

Well if you not afraid of penises, im imaging their would be huge money in urology (would this be the correct specialty). To most men, the penis is their biggest asset (not always literally) and erectile dysfunction and penis surgery would bring huge money!

 

[doink]

It may not start about wanting to help people but it quickly turns to that as after you have worked your 100 hour week making money you are too tired to spend doing things you didnt expect after 4+ years of university there isn't much else to cling onto except for the fact you are making a difference.

I for one find what you say about Doctors not helping lives to be ignorant. You say that other professions have a greater ability to help people, yet none of them dedicate their lives to doing so. Rich people can make a greater difference, sure but do they? Also you raise that others can help save a greater quantity of peoples lives. Do you measure a lifes importance in terms of quantity? The entire treatment process is what Doctors are involved in and although the other professions do help it would be redundant without Doctors and this works vice versa. Its all well and good that scientists can develop cures and vaccines but exactly how does this help without a diagnosis? How do you plan on removing a malignant tumour without the techincal skills of a surgeon?

Also you said that they just apply what has been previously developed, I fail to see how this doesn't apply to every career. I sure hope Engineers don't have to develop a new formula every time they need to balance the forces on a truss.

Also your trolling is a bit obvious althought grats on baiting me in. Rather than pressing your own narrow views on others and forcing them to agree how about you just go do what you want and next time you are sick go and see your family medical scientist or local politician and see what they say about it.

 

[Cookie182]

It may not start about wanting to help people but it quickly turns to that as after you have worked your $100 hour week making money you are too tired to spend doing things you didnt expect after 4+ years of university there isn't much else to cling onto except for the fact you are making a difference.

I for one find what you say about Doctors not helping lives to be ignorant. You say that other professions have a greater ability to help people, yet none of them dedicate their lives to doing so. Rich people can make a greater difference, sure but do they? Also you raise that others can help save a greater quantity of peoples lives. Do you measure a lifes importance in terms of quantity? The entire treatment process is what Doctors are involved in and although the other professions do help it would be redundant without Doctors and this works vice versa. Its all well and good that scientists can develop cures and vaccines but exactly how does this help without a diagnosis? How do you plan on removing a malignant tumour without the techincal skills of a surgeon?

Also you said that they just apply what has been previously developed, I fail to see how this doesn't apply to every career. I sure hope Engineers don't have to develop a new formula every time they need to balance the forces on a truss.

Also your trolling is a bit obvious althought grats on baiting me in. Rather than pressing your own narrow views on others and forcing them to agree how about you just go do what you want and next time you are sick go and see your family medical scientist or local politician and see what they say about it.

Wow you pretty much owned the OP. and yea, his trolling is obvious but I love your sarcastic ending. Still its definately true. No point bitchin' bout doc's as one day you'll inevitably need one.

 

[undalay]

It may not start about wanting to help people but it quickly turns to that as after you have worked your 100 hour week making money you are too tired to spend doing things you didnt expect after 4+ years of university there isn't much else to cling onto except for the fact you are making a difference.

I for one find what you say about Doctors not helping lives to be ignorant. You say that other professions have a greater ability to help people, yet none of them dedicate their lives to doing so. Rich people can make a greater difference, sure but do they? Also you raise that others can help save a greater quantity of peoples lives. Do you measure a lifes importance in terms of quantity? The entire treatment process is what Doctors are involved in and although the other professions do help it would be redundant without Doctors and this works vice versa. Its all well and good that scientists can develop cures and vaccines but exactly how does this help without a diagnosis? How do you plan on removing a malignant tumour without the techincal skills of a surgeon?

Also you said that they just apply what has been previously developed, I fail to see how this doesn't apply to every career. I sure hope Engineers don't have to develop a new formula every time they need to balance the forces on a truss.

Also your trolling is a bit obvious althought grats on baiting me in. Rather than pressing your own narrow views on others and forcing them to agree how about you just go do what you want and next time you are sick go and see your family medical scientist or local politician and see what they say about it.

I think you missed the point entirely, congratulations.

 

[lionking1191]

I think you missed the point entirely, congratulations.

disregarding what may or may not have been your intentions, your argument throughout the thread has been over-generalised and all over the place so it's really no surprise that anyone would "miss the point" as you so irresponsibly put

 

[undalay]

disregarding what may or may not have been your intentions, your argument throughout the thread has been over-generalised and all over the place so it's really no surprise that anyone would "miss the point" as you so irresponsibly put

The life is full of greys.
Nothing is going to be clear.

As your teacher I must say, it is an invaluable skill to comprehend, and you should learn to do so.

 

[lionking1191]

The life is full of greys.
Nothing is going to be clear.

As your teacher I must say, it is an invaluable skill to comprehend, and you should learn to do so.

ohh gotta love that faux-didactic tone.

gee that was awkward