where should i go to for Med Sci? (1 Viewer)

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

lolz..
ure argument is lik.. "why learn kidneys when im goin to be a cardiologist (heart specialist)?"...

ure almost implying that community medicine= less likely to be a specialist
...trust me it wont.

the concepts of community medicine is big for GP = true.. because of their ties to the community.... and as gatekeepers to the health system
but community medicine and public health are very closely aligned subjects too?!

Every health worker incl. doctors, nurses and administrators should be informed about public health.. because basically it is the statistical/clinical study of application of health practices in society..
if as a specialist u dun know public health.. ull be missing out on basic questions you should be asking!?.. society's shapes an individual.. community focussed medicine includes epidemiology... which i hope u might think is important?!

community and public health medicine are as central to medicine as medical sciences because of its implication on disease course
... its so important that u could become a public health/community medicine specialist/fellow with the faculty of public health medicine (afphm.racp.edu.au) and the aust. royal college of physicians (www.racp.edu.au)[not the GP one.. the one with the cardiologist and resp physicians..]

things that leave gaps in understanding? ure own study habits and desire to work.. even if i gave u all the notes on medical sciences.. another down side is that it may change down the line..

i like how u omitted all the Go8's uni from my list.. when they also state them in their syllabus..UMelb
http://www.unimelb.edu.au/HB/1998/areas/MMED.html
http://www.unimelb.edu.au/HB/2004/areas/MMED.html :O under health practices?!

blasphemy almsot 50% of subject!?.. all those 99.9ers having to do public health ?!... how will they become specialist?

 

[mervvyn]

JCU, UWS, UoW, UNCLE have stated that they focus on community medicine whereas the others dont. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but when the course is geared towards that, it can leave large gaps in people's knowledge which they realise when they want to specialise.

... thing is, an MBBS isn't so much a qualification to say you know a lot and you're ready to go out into the world and specialise, it's a qualification to say you're ready to learn properly. no matter where you do your degree, you'll still come out not knowing enough (to specialise) - it varies only really on how much effort you yourself put in during your degree.

 

[Densuki]

Ok I couldn't read the rest of the thread past this post, so sorry if someone's already brought it up, but do you even know what ignorant means?

Ignorance is the trait of lacking certain knowledge (or, in another context, education). So in reality, what you've just said is precisely what I said: you are ignorant.

Edit: OK Alvin's very next post clarified, damn. Still, I was right!

Regarding ethics tutes and communication etc...I haven't been so good with those. I mean, I know my shit but it's not quite the same if I'm watching anime or playing gameboy during the FRS eh?

And to the thread creator, do you want a primarily scientific role (your pathology/immunology), a pastoral role (caring for people) or both? Also, do you want to be "running the show" or are you content to take a more "team member" role? Do you want a high turnover of patients/clients or do you want to keep seeing the same people over time?

If you want a more scientific than pastoral role, BMedSc with research and/or lab tech work is your thing. Labwork all day, every day, processing cultures and looking at slides.

If you want a balance between scientific and pastoral, I'm afraid you're looking at the doctoring and it's not easy. The others have already gone into that. Even then, pathology has virtually no (live) patient contact, and immunology is limited. Immunologists do have a few "repeat customers" though, kids with chronic atopia and things. This path puts you in the driver's seat, since we all know that doctors still run the show.

Leaning more to the pastoral side is nursing. Now nurses aren't just about short skirts and huge tits, they actually have to learn a lot of scientific stuff and do a lot of procedural work (cannulation, drawing blood etc). They look after the needs of the patient as a person more than as a specimen, but don't give the orders. Depending on where you choose to work, you can have high patient turnover (such as in a surgical ward at hospital) or you can look after the same people for years (nursing home). Depending on how high you qualify (EN, RN, NP etc) you could just be wiping arse or you could be medicating, supervising long-term care and doing other doctory-type stuff. Nurses don't do any labwork though.

Anyway, hope this is useful. Good luck with your decisions.

thanks lexo, much appretiated help
yea i wanted a job that will allow patient contact and scientific research , so i guess its the hard way huh?
but..its dam long, by the time i come out ill be 30! LOL
and nurse and bit tits..thats the quote of the day!

 

[Lexicographer]

Ok next time ill recommend UTS.

Sigh. When will you learn that I don't care what you recommend but <b>why</b>? By what authority do you recommend one course or school and not another? Are you just going to recommend UTS because you think that's what I would want?

If you're going to put forward a suggestion (I don't care what it is), make sure you can justify it. Simply agreeing with people will only make you popular for a moment. Arguing with them, though initially damaging to your public appeal, will at least demonstrate that you are more than a sycophantic idiot.

 

[sikeveo]

I said, (I have researched into those courses) and found that they are better, because, of better facilities, better resources, and students personal experiences.

Did you just want to go against the stereotypical choices i.e. UNSW and USYD? Or did you have anything you wanted to share with us about UWS and UTS Med sci?

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

hmmmm do u kno wat it means to have better facilities though in the context of a MedSc degree?....
and the same with resources....? what are u talkin about? more tutors to students? books? notes? researcher per student? money to student? microscopes? dissections? path pots? cadavars?

cos personally those are buzz words.. "resource" and "facilities"... if ure talking about research monies.. unless ure in the Honours program u wont really see a cent.. ..in undergrad its a lot of theories to lay the ground work.. ..

mainly me and lexi want to know what your talking about? If I wanted a BMedSc Id be confuse about my choices.. ..

 

[Lexicographer]

Having actually studied with UTS BMedSc students (and taken some of their subjects) I must say the only real difference I can see is that UNSW has nicer looking buildings. All those things you mentioned refer to the institutions in general, especially the one about "resources". Resources just means money, and NONE of that goes to undergrads - evar. Resources are universally spent on research (if you're lucky that'll include honours students, though their research is more often than not survey-based). As for facilities, again there is nothing about the UNSW and USyd facilities that makes them head and shoulders better than the others for undergraduate science.

I concede that the presence of a medical school at USyd and UNSW does have its benefits (such as a pathology museum) for BMedSc students. However, this is almost exclusively an item interest, as most of the work in BMedSc is laboratory stuff. Medical Scientists don't have patients, and they don't have "clinical skills". They are scientists, they deal with samples, cultures, and technology.

 

[Bob.J]

usyd science/med sci students who do anatomy in 2nd year (or other years) get to chop up lots and lots of fresh bodies. Usyd dent students go through so many heads
-_-

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

ive never craved a cadavar.. but on placements i have done some suturing and cutting into a human..

.. .. .. i start to wonder.. mabbe i need more dead ppl experiences than live ones..:S

 

[Lexicographer]

Ah don't worry, our time will come. Rotations are where the cadavers are at.

 

[hipsta_jess]

ok, this is probably the wrong place to ask, but your discussion has me wondering...you doctor folk, do you practise giving needles and suturing and stuff on cadavers, or do they let you loose on alive people first?!
Coz, like, at least OT's can't really kill anyone...but I wouldn't want some newbie med student jabbing me without some idea of what they were aiming for (IMO anatomy doesn't prepare you *quite* enough for that)

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

never given a needle to a dead one... plastic model arms.. and patients yes.... but its not rocket science with some of them..

suturing.. .. on a real patient and on pork loin(? i think).. again.. it was basic and not hard..

also anatomy is fairly basic.... cos u just follow some rules tat the nurses tell u..

 

[Lexicographer]

I've cannulated and intubated dummies, and sutured pork bellies and trotters. If I get my surgery elective next year I'll be dissecting cadavers (and I guess if I want to, suturing) but I won't be doing any of this stuff as part of the main course until clinical years. That'll probably be on models first then straight to patients (maybe cadavers in the middle, though I doubt it).