Why do governments give young people a hard time? (3 Viewers)

[Graney]

Society generally seems to harbour a lot of negative feelings towards young people.

This is expressed by governments specifically targeting young people with legislation.

Ever increasing regulations against provisional drivers, punishing young people to an ever greater extent, for rapidly diminishing returns in lower road tolls. Due to lack of experience, young people are always going to be overrepresented in road accidents, yet they receive the least tolerance for mistakes, with automatic suspensions of licences for offences that would see a fully licenced driver keep their licence.

Why are the most experienced drivers allowed the most leeway to make mistakes?

The utter joke that is the alcopop tax.

Targeting of entertainment facilities for young people. Reduction of trading hours and increasing restrictions on inner city entertainment venues, for the benefit of nimby's who chose to live in the inner city.

The use of sniffer dogs at youth orientated venues and festivals. How come you never hear of dogs being used at venues frequented by the cocaine set?

I'm no fan of welfare, but if we must have it, it's fair to question why it is so much harder for young people to claim youth allowance (austudy) or newstart than it is for older people to get these same benefits.

More importantly, why aren't young people organised and capable of successfully lobbying politicians in the same way seniors do?
Why don't young people stand up for their rights more?

 

[Lentern]

Half of what you'd call a young person don't vote, a third of them don't give a hoot about politics and most of those that do are rampaging idealogues who won't actually be influenced by government policy.

 

[Graney]

Lowering the voting age is way overdue.

I think among young people, only the minority of social conservatives would oppose the positions I listed, they're not ideologically divisive, socialists and liberals would generally agree, along with the majority of kids who just want to have an easier time of things.

A big hinderance to political progress is the large proportion of self-hating young people, as well as the bitter ex-young. The young people you hear gleefull when new P-plate restrictions are imposed, because they would never break the law. Or the slightly older people, who had it tough when they were kids, and the youth today are so much worse than they were, they're glad to see ever harsher restrictions.

 

[Lentern]

Lowering the voting age is way overdue.

I think among young people, only the minority of social conservatives would oppose the positions I listed, they're not ideologically divisive, socialists and liberals would generally agree, along with the majority of kids who just want to have an easier time of things.

A big hinderance to political progress is the large proportion of self-hating young people, as well as the bitter ex-young. The young people you hear gleefull when new P-plate restrictions are imposed, because they would never break the law. Or the slightly older people, who had it tough when they were kids, and the youth today are so much worse than they were, they're glad to see ever harsher restrictions.

I support most of what you said just don't think the bulk of voters would.I think that age restrictions should be abolished but minors voting should be optional and possibly make the kid jump through a few hoops so it's clear they actually want it not their parents.

But whilst most of my peers last year(most of them are 18 now) would not have supported alcopos tax, the p plate passengar laws or 0 blood alcohol level they wouldn't have rallied to some minor party who opposed it. A portion might have gone the greens but even the greens are turning into a political party in recent years; I don't remember them making a stink about p plate laws.

If compulsary voting came in at say 16 it might shape the debate a bit differently. But really your old enough too decide who governs the country but not responsible enough to have a beer? sounds a bit weird doesn't it?

 

[boris]

Lower the drinking age accordingly

 

[Will Shakespear]

Old people run the media... or at least the media that most people take as gospel... a good example is how fta tv is still redneck tv

hysterical reporting of accidents or violence, young people are all hoons on ice & probably arsonists... people believe it

 

[Iron]

What? The last 2 generations have been a horrific failure in talent and goodness. Further empowering a corrupted youth will only hasten our downfall

 

[SnowFox]

Because we dont have a voice in politics, give kids a voice, and the government would have to listen.

I remember ages ago that the state government was thinking about abolishing homework but it didnt follow through.

If the kids had heard about this before they finalised their thoughts, it would have been a shit storm and it would be knocking on every MP's door.

 

[Iron]

You

 

[x.christina]

We don't stand up for ourselves because no-one fucking listens to what we have to say.

 

[quik.]

P plate laws and zero tolerance on speeding don't necessarily relate to burdening the young I don't think, more related to average joes inability to comprehend that going 5 over the limit doesn't mean you will spontaneously combust into a huge ball of flame and go over a cliff. If they were serious about driver/rider safety then proper courses would be subsidised and required to progress through the licencing scheme.

Speeding brings in the dollars and so that is what traffic police are told to focus on the most, unfortunately.

Alcopop tax was reversed so not really an issue?

Sniffer dogs at festivals simply makes sense to me as illegal substances tend to be found there. That they shouldn't necessarily be illegal in the first place is a whole other argument, but I assume it's the same reason they have the dogs at St Marys station (near Mt Druitt/Penrith, meth clinic right next door) every now and then - likely to find something.

Youth allowance I don't even fully understand. As a minor in highschool, single parent (mum), living in the penrith area earning under 35,000 a year, I didn't qualify. The guy straight up said mum earned too much. Now that I'm at uni, heaps of people are on it who I would bet my left testicle are way above the 35,000 thing but eh. That's my sob story :]

I think young people should take a much keener interest in the goings on of government and such, most of my friends don't even know about the internet filter proposal (freedom of information being kind of a big deal imo).

 

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[Graney]

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[incentivation]

Science supports the idea that the brain development of young people is such that danger is far harder to comprehend, and if it is identified, there is less reluctance to avoid it. It is an undeniable fact that young drivers are awfully overrepresented in motor vehicle collisions, in part due to the above issue of danger comprehension and the increased risk taking that results.

YAPA young people: Reports: Adolescent development & risk-taking

It is not just driving, but a vast array of other activities that the brain development process affects.

I don't harbour an issue with targeted drug operations. They serve a purpose, no less than similar operations conducted at clubs and pubs. If intelligence exists that A will occur at B, and laws exist in relation to A, then it should follow that such intelligence is acted upon. It would be remiss of any law enforcement organisation to do otherwise. The detection statistics speak for themselves.

Government will always cater for those of the voting age population. They would be stupid not to.

 

[boris]

Science supports the idea that the brain development of young people is such that danger is far harder to comprehend, and if it is identified, there is less reluctance to avoid it. It is an undeniable fact that young drivers are awfully overrepresented in motor vehicle collisions, in part due to the above issue of danger comprehension and the increased risk taking that results.

YAPA young people: Reports: Adolescent development & risk-taking

It is not just driving, but a vast array of other activities that the brain development process affects.

I don't harbour an issue with targeted drug operations. They serve a purpose, no less than similar operations conducted at clubs and pubs. If intelligence exists that A will occur at B, and laws exist in relation to A, then it should follow that such intelligence is acted upon. It would be remiss of any law enforcement organisation to do otherwise. The detection statistics speak for themselves.

Government will always cater for those of the voting age population. They would be stupid not to.

Increased reluctance?

Young driver crash over representation due to risk taking is a fallacy as you will notice that L and P platers of all ages are over represented in crash statistics and i believe this is due their reliative driving inexperience. If young people were given formal driving education prior to gaining their licences, the over representation of young people in crash statistics would decrease significantly.

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

Fucking oath Graney. While I'm at it, I'd like to highlight the following important and/or terrifying issues

sharks
pirates
crocodiles
price of petrol
i need a remote boat
price of petrol
lebs in sutho

 

[incentivation]

None of this follows if A is an unjust, counterproductive law.

It is still law irrespective of those features, and should be treated as such.

Who determines whether law is just or productive?

You?

The vast majority of the population do not believe the laws to be unjust. I don't see that the law must be necessarily just, or indeed fair. If the consensus of society is that it is required, and the legislature acts on that consensus, then it is law.

 

[Graney]

Science supports the idea that the brain development of young people is such that danger is far harder to comprehend, and if it is identified, there is less reluctance to avoid it. It is an undeniable fact that young drivers are awfully overrepresented in motor vehicle collisions, in part due to the above issue of danger comprehension and the increased risk taking that results.

YAPA young people: Reports: Adolescent development & risk-taking

It is not just driving, but a vast array of other activities that the brain development process affects.

That doesn't justify harsher penalties, if anything it suggests there should be greater tolerance for the lower ability of young people to assess risk. Mature individuals, fully capable of perceiving risk, deserve less discretion.

I don't harbour an issue with targeted drug operations. They serve a purpose, no less than similar operations conducted at clubs and pubs. If intelligence exists that A will occur at B, and laws exist in relation to A, then it should follow that such intelligence is acted upon. It would be remiss of any law enforcement organisation to do otherwise..

I think if they ran searches through venues frequented by lawyers, stock brokers etc, they'd do alright.

Why aren't there at least a few dogs put on/around the melbourne cup, other races and society events? I think the only difference in intelligence between the two events, is based on presumption.

The detection statistics speak for themselves.

The detection statistics, which show searches mostly punish the users, as almost no dealers are ever caught- which should really be the aim if anything, of searches. But that's another thread.

Government will always cater for those of the voting age population. They would be stupid not to.

People aged 18-25 would presumably contain a large number of swinging voters.

 

[incentivation]

Increased reluctance?

Young driver crash over representation due to risk taking is a fallacy as you will notice that L and P platers of all ages are over represented in crash statistics and i believe this is due their reliative driving inexperience. If young people were given formal driving education prior to gaining their licences, the over representation of young people in crash statistics would decrease significantly.

http://www.rsconference.com/pdf/RS010079.pdf?check=1

 

[incentivation]

I think if they ran searches through venues frequented by lawyers, stock brokers etc, they'd do alright.

Why aren't there at least a few dogs put on/around the melbourne cup, other races and society events? I think the only difference in intelligence between the two events, is based on presumption.
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I agree. I don't think it should be confined to young people.

As you rightly say, cocaine is the drug of choice of the rich and famous.

(Dealers should also be targeted, but that is another debate).