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AMA president Dr Andrew Pesce says gay people should not have IVF | Health & Lifestyle | News.com.au

THE new head of the Australian Medical Association has said single women and gay couples should not have access to IVF.

Dr Andrew Pesce, elected AMA federal president in May, told the Sunday Herald Sun that IVF should not be a "lifestyle choice" and use of the treatment by same sex couples went against the "natural order".

"Fertility treatment is there to treat diseases that cause infertility, it shouldn't be there as a lifestyle choice," Dr Pesce said.

"For example, single women (who choose IVF) don't have a disease, they just don't have a partner. Same-sex couples, they don't have disease but they are using an option that gets around the natural order of things."

Dr Pesce later contacted the newspaper and said his comments were "clumsy" and a mistake.

He said single women and same sex couples should have access to IVF, but could not give a reason for his earlier remarks.

The comments have thrown the AMA into crisis, with former president Dr Kerryn Phelps saying Dr Pesce's views were "not rational".

Equal rights campaigners called for his resignation, saying his comments were out of the "stone age".

"If male/female couples (receiving IVF treatment) followed the 'natural order' of things then they would remain childless," Dr Phelps said.

"It is not rational to say that IVF is not there as a lifestyle choice, it is a lifestyle choice. This is not AMA policy because AMA policy is non-discrimination."

Gay and Lesbian Lobby Group convenor Emily Gray called for Dr Pesce to resign immediately.

"He shouldn't be holding a position of responsibility if he's going to discriminate against (same-sex couples') entitlement to the same medical treatment as everyone else," Ms Gray said.

"He needs to open up his eyes and get with the times."

Monash IVF director Dr Lynn Burmeister said fertility treatments should be available to everyone.

"I don't agree with that view, it's discrimination, everyone has an equal right to access treatment," Dr Burmeister said.

Last year the Victorian Parliament granted lesbian couples and single women access to fertility treatment under the controversial Assisted Reproductive Treatment Bill.
I don't get it. Infertile heterosexual couples and single women having IVF to conceive a baby goes against the natural order too. And really, are we still stuck on that speed hump called 'homosexuality is a lifestyle choice'. I choose to be gay like I choose my curtains?

90% of the comments below sickened me, and nobody can explain it.

Infertile heterosexual couples that can not have a baby through sexual intercourse ARE GOING AGAINST THE NATURAL ORDER WHEN THEY UNDER GO IVF. WHY IS THIS BREACH OF THE NATURAL ORDER ACCEPTABLE?
 

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Wow. Can someone tell me one thing that is "natural" about modern medicine and science?

The head of the AMA says something like this, and then just retracts his statement? Fuck that, he needs to be sacked.
 

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Wow. Can someone tell me one thing that is "natural" about modern medicine and science?

The head of the AMA says something like this, and then just retracts his statement? Fuck that, he needs to be sacked.
I know right, I was especially perplexed by
Fertility treatment is there to treat diseases that cause infertility, it shouldn't be there as a lifestyle choice
Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice? Secondly, if a single female can afford to raise a child without assistance by the government, she should be able to.
 

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To put it politely, what a dick face.

Yeah cos IVF is so natural and all, tosser. I agree with Sprangler.

Good call about the curtains katie tully.
 

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Pesce, is he a Christian?
I'm very curious...
 

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What kind of idiot tries to play the lifestyle card anymore? Really?

How does 'lifestlye' apply at all to sexual orientation? And what does it matter if your life choices prevent you from having access to sperm/eggs from a significant other? The mind boggles.

And the 'natural order' ain't that flash, considering all the teen mothers living in poverty. At least someone after IVF can be presumed to have some financial security.
 

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how does 'lifestlye' apply at all to sexual orientation? And what does it matter if your life choices prevent you from having access to sperm/eggs from a significant other? The mind boggles.
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What kind of idiot tries to play the lifestyle card anymore? Really?

How does 'lifestlye' apply at all to sexual orientation? And what does it matter if your life choices prevent you from having access to sperm/eggs from a significant other? The mind boggles.

And the 'natural order' ain't that flash, considering all the teen mothers living in poverty. At least someone after IVF can be presumed to have some financial security.
Yeah that's 100% right.

We're happy to artificially start a birth in a mother who otherwise wouldn't have had a child, but we're not going to disturb the natural order of things! :rolleyes:

And the 'natural order' ain't that flash, considering all the teen mothers living in poverty. At least someone after IVF can be presumed to have some financial security.
I've never understood that argument, but oh well. :p
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Everytime you guys play the povo teen mum card, a piece of me dies
Ah, beaten to it!
 

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Is IVF treatment medicare funded for single women and gay couples?
 

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He was a coward to back down.

You cant simplify infertility so much, gays. Infertile heterosexuals have legitimate diseases that hinder their natural desire to raise a family together, while the homosexual or whoever want a babby as some 'accessory' to enhance their 'quality of life' and 'experience'. One approaches medicine for a cure, the other approaches it for kicks. It's bs.
 

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He was a coward to back down.

You cant simplify infertility so much, gays. Infertile heterosexuals have legitimate diseases that hinder their natural desire to raise a family together, while the homosexual or whoever want a babby as some 'accessory' to enhance their 'quality of life' and 'experience'. One approaches medicine for a cure, the other approaches it for kicks. It's bs.
Why can't a homosexual couple have a natural desire to raise a family?
 

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He was a coward to back down.

You cant simplify infertility so much, gays. Infertile heterosexuals have legitimate diseases that hinder their natural desire to raise a family together, while the homosexual or whoever want a babby as some 'accessory' to enhance their 'quality of life' and 'experience'. One approaches medicine for a cure, the other approaches it for kicks. It's bs.
IVF is a better way of getting around the fact that its kinda impossible to have a baby in a same-sex couple, rather than say me going up to one of my best friends and asking if she'd like to hit the sack with me.

Wth, how could anyone look at another human life as an "accessory." Iron, im sorry, but you really have a poor opinion about homosexuals. The point of raising another human being ultimately becomes about them, and you would do anything so they make it out there in this big wide world. This natural desire to raise a family is the same for everyone, and has nothing to do with sexuality.
 

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He was a coward to back down.

You cant simplify infertility so much, gays. Infertile heterosexuals have legitimate diseases that hinder their natural desire to raise a family together, while the homosexual or whoever want a babby as some 'accessory' to enhance their 'quality of life' and 'experience'. One approaches medicine for a cure, the other approaches it for kicks. It's bs.
What?

The human biological desire to raise children does not suddenly end when one enters a homosexual relationship. They are still men and women with human drive, and nothing is so human as the desire to raise a family.
 

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he was a coward to back down.

You cant simplify infertility so much, gays. Infertile heterosexuals have legitimate diseases that hinder their natural desire to raise a family together, while the homosexual or whoever want a babby as some 'accessory' to enhance their 'quality of life' and 'experience'. One approaches medicine for a cure, the other approaches it for kicks. It's bs.
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