Re: Israel & Palestine
I'm glad you seem to understand what I'm getting at - 'Zionism' as a term has been absolutely butchered, by both sides - by the Israeli settlers who cite it as their ideology and by the pro-Palestinians who choose to use it as a term to describe the actions of Israel rather than the words "the Israeli Government." It really grinds my when people use phrases like "the evil Zionist regime" and "the Zionist state" in their posts >_<
Also, what you refer to in the latter part of your post is known as 'religious Zionism,' not the nationalistic Zionism which most sensible Jews in the world follow.
Hrmm, but can 'Zionism' be singled out to be the belief of a Jewish State in 'Palestine?' The first National Zionist Congress in the 1930's looked at other places like the Kimberley region in Australia and parts of Africa as places for possible Jewish homelands before they decided upon Palestine.
The definition of 'Zionism' if such a thing can indeed exist for such a dynamic term, could indeed be the above.It appears one of us has mistaken the definition of Zionism. Zionism is not the foundation and maintenance of a Jewish state in conjuction with Palestine, but rather the foundation of a Jewish state in Palestine. That is to say that the inhabitants of Palestine would have to be removed either forcibly or of their own free will to accomodate for the Jewish settlement of the land.
If actively supporting a two state settlement based on the pre-1967 UN borders makes you a zionist, then I'm a zionist. The UN are zionists. The World Court are zionists. The PLC and Yasser Arafat were zionists, etc.
However supporting a two-state solution based on the 1948 partition plan is not zionism. That is being in accordance with international law and resolution 242 of the UN. Zionism is in the belief of the historic or biblical land of Israel is promised to the Jews by god which is claimed extends as far as the Nile to the Euphrates (most of modern that Lebanon, Syria and parts of Egypt and Iraq included). Of course this position is utterly unsustainable considering the original Zionists were in fact atheists.
I'm glad you seem to understand what I'm getting at - 'Zionism' as a term has been absolutely butchered, by both sides - by the Israeli settlers who cite it as their ideology and by the pro-Palestinians who choose to use it as a term to describe the actions of Israel rather than the words "the Israeli Government." It really grinds my when people use phrases like "the evil Zionist regime" and "the Zionist state" in their posts >_<
Also, what you refer to in the latter part of your post is known as 'religious Zionism,' not the nationalistic Zionism which most sensible Jews in the world follow.
Hrmm, but can 'Zionism' be singled out to be the belief of a Jewish State in 'Palestine?' The first National Zionist Congress in the 1930's looked at other places like the Kimberley region in Australia and parts of Africa as places for possible Jewish homelands before they decided upon Palestine.
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