Is it possible for somebody with a really low IQ like 110, to achieve a 99+ atar? (2 Viewers)

[lpodnano]

or whatever the IQ measures.

 

[annabackwards]

Abit of a dodgy question imo.

1. How many people even know their IQs anyway?

2. To what degree can we measure the IQ with any accuracy - for example professional testing? Testing on an online quiz? Its hardly scientific given the variety of tests and their varying qualities.

3. Do we know for sure that IQ is an accuarate measure of "intelligence"? Seems like an overly simplistic way of trying to capture a person's success really.

I've no doubt that 99+ people are highly intelligent. But that intelligence includes a variety of skills: time management, passion, dedication, interest and talent for a particular subject/subjects in addition to what one might call "intelligence".

I'd suggest you all quit worrying about IQ and ATAR. Who said the ATAR was a very good measure of intelligence anyway? (I don't particularly think it is)

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IQ has nothing to do with is - just play the HSC game well and you'll be fine. If you're not "naturally smart" or have a "low" IQ then just study smarter and harder to make up for it. There are plenty of "naturally smart" kids who slack off and don't really care that much for eg me XD

You'll be fine

If you want a more accurate measurement of your IQ the get a MENSA test or do the High IQ society online test.

 

[s0_reaL]

i think my iq is like 145. bring on the hsc im going to kill it then

 

[harrisony]

How do you even know what your actual IQ is? All the tests give different results and there doesn't seem to be any correlation.

Go to a Psychologist.

Mensa don't run IQ tests, they offer an "admission test" which is like an IQ test although it's a pass/fail

 

[ninetypercent]

just work hard.
and it is possible.

 

[lpodnano]

just work hard.
and it is possible.

great advice (Y) anything's possible.

 

[darkcounty]

Really low IQ would be under 70, which is known as retarded. It is not possible.

 

[ectobiologist]

I would probably go to Mensa Institution to get the test done...it probably gives the most accurate IQ measurement imho

They only tell you whether or not you're allowed to be part of Mensa, not your actual IQ.

 

[sinophile]

Looks like its time to pull out my emergency 'intellect vs hard work' essay

A human's potential is largely dependant on the exercise of free will

{http://sinophile.wikispaces.com/Potential+is+largely+dependant+on+the+exercise+of+free+will (remove the space)}

What many people see as 'fate', can be reinterpreted as 'Genetics' and 'Environmental conditions' of a person, and in ways, fate is just a way to encapsulate that idea in layman's terms.

Humans are animals. Just like any animal, how 'successful' they become is affected by their genetic makeup and the conditions they live in. That 'success' could be defined in many ways, from 'being able to run faster' for a horse, to 'having lots of money' for a human. But if you look at it in strictly biological terms, 'success' is ultimately either increasing the probability of survival or reproduction.

Humans are exceptional creatures because they have free will. What is meant by free will? One could say free will is 'being able to go against the whim of your genetics and environment'. For example, when a person is on a diet, they use their willpower slim down. When people exercise free will, they oppose the circumstances imposed on them by their genetics and environment.

Let us use the previous example of a fat guy slimming down. His genes program his body to feel painful hunger when his belly is empty. If he were any other non-intelligent animal, he would go look for some chow, but fat guy is a human and knows better than that. Later, he becomes thin, and girls generally prefer skinny men as partners, increasing that man's probability for reproduction.

However, one could argue that the man ultimately does not exercise free will. One, he slims down with the purpose of increasing his probabilities of reproduction, which is a desire encoded in our genes. Two, the intelligence and information that gives him his free will, is itself encoded in our genes, a product of millions of years of evolution. In other words, his free will is imperfect.

What constitutes perfect free will, then? One could say being completely freed from the tendancies that our genes impose on us. If the beforementioned fat man had perfect free will, he would be just as likely to leap off a cliff or eat his own leg, as he would diet. To us, perfect free will is meaningless or stupid. The concept of doing something that does not increase our chances of survival or reproduction is incomprehensible to us. The ultimate cause of free will imposes restrictions on us which help us survive- otherwise we would have been wiped out by stupid things such as leaping off cliffs long, long ago.

Humans have so much potential in them, but don't notice or don't bother to work on it. Donald Trump, Albert Einstein, Michael Jordan and the average person have fairly similar genes. Yet, the difference in success between the average person and the first three is gigantic. Yes, their environment had a part to play in their success, but it was largely how well they exercised free will that led to their success. You could be as rich, smart or strong as you wish to be, so long as you had enough discipline to do it.

 

[lpodnano]

Looks like its time to pull out my emergency 'intellect vs hard work' essay

A human's potential is largely dependant on the exercise of free will

{sinophile - Potential is largely dependant on the exercise of free will (remove the space)}

What many people see as 'fate', can be reinterpreted as 'Genetics' and 'Environmental conditions' of a person, and in ways, fate is just a way to encapsulate that idea in layman's terms.

Humans are animals. Just like any animal, how 'successful' they become is affected by their genetic makeup and the conditions they live in. That 'success' could be defined in many ways, from 'being able to run faster' for a horse, to 'having lots of money' for a human. But if you look at it in strictly biological terms, 'success' is ultimately either increasing the probability of survival or reproduction.

Humans are exceptional creatures because they have free will. What is meant by free will? One could say free will is 'being able to go against the whim of your genetics and environment'. For example, when a person is on a diet, they use their willpower slim down. When people exercise free will, they oppose the circumstances imposed on them by their genetics and environment.

Let us use the previous example of a fat guy slimming down. His genes program his body to feel painful hunger when his belly is empty. If he were any other non-intelligent animal, he would go look for some chow, but fat guy is a human and knows better than that. Later, he becomes thin, and girls generally prefer skinny men as partners, increasing that man's probability for reproduction.

However, one could argue that the man ultimately does not exercise free will. One, he slims down with the purpose of increasing his probabilities of reproduction, which is a desire encoded in our genes. Two, the intelligence and information that gives him his free will, is itself encoded in our genes, a product of millions of years of evolution. In other words, his free will is imperfect.

What constitutes perfect free will, then? One could say being completely freed from the tendancies that our genes impose on us. If the beforementioned fat man had perfect free will, he would be just as likely to leap off a cliff or eat his own leg, as he would diet. To us, perfect free will is meaningless or stupid. The concept of doing something that does not increase our chances of survival or reproduction is incomprehensible to us. The ultimate cause of free will imposes restrictions on us which help us survive- otherwise we would have been wiped out by stupid things such as leaping off cliffs long, long ago.

Humans have so much potential in them, but don't notice or don't bother to work on it. Donald Trump, Albert Einstein, Michael Jordan and the average person have fairly similar genes. Yet, the difference in success between the average person and the first three is gigantic. Yes, their environment had a part to play in their success, but it was largely how well they exercised free will that led to their success. You could be as rich, smart or strong as you wish to be, so long as you had enough discipline to do it.

I didn't read all of that but skimmed it through. But good work for going the extra mile (Y)

 

[adriano_negr0]

I've got an IQ of 120 and ive done ordinary at school so far except maths
so i'll tell u my atar when im done the hsca and we can compare
anyone who got 99+ test ur IQ and let us know

 

[kevinant]

Yes, IQ doesn't really have anything to do with the HSC, there are not really many stuffs for HSC (There are more stuffs in uni) and as long as you work hard then it's not hard to achieve good result.

 

[Aerath]

anyone who got 99+ test ur IQ and let us know

How can I test my IQ? [Gimme a link to the IQ test you want me to use, if you want to compare, we need to be doing the same IQ test]

 

[lpodnano]

How can I test my IQ? [Gimme a link to the IQ test you want me to use, if you want to compare, we need to be doing the same IQ test]

Those aren't very accurate and I doubt he'd be THAT bothered to go and pay MENSA to do an IQ test so he can answer some queries on a forum.

 

[Dx_God]

my summary:
*low iq+no hard work=epic failure
*average iq+no hard work=still failure
*high iq+no hard work=same as above

*low iq+hard work=win
*average iq+hard work=epic win
*high iq+hard work=...

Note: einstein with an estimated iq of 164 only got an estimated atar of 80.

 

[Dx_God]

just to inform u guys, iq tests only gives u an estimate of how good u are at "picking up things" or "finding patterns" but not really gives u ur true intelligence. the definition of intelligence is very broad and cannot be measured by a single test like an iq test.

I've quoted this from wiki and i'm very satisfied with this answer:

"Of course, there is more to it than just picking up on things quickly. Human intelligence includes an ability to remember facts or figure out solutions to abstract problems; it also includes emotional intelligence and special skills acquired to near-perfection or mastery. For example, a musician can be skilled on one instrument in such a way that no one else matches"

Therefore to me an iq test is pretty pointless. it can only make u either feel like ur a genius and think everyone is beneath u before u eventually fall and realise how much of a fool u are. or makes u really depressed when u get a low iq score and pretty much leaves u depressed and losses ur confidence and possibly screwing up ur whole life

 

[with-chu]

my summary:
*low iq+no hard work=epic failure
*average iq+no hard work=still failure
*high iq+no hard work=same as above

*low iq+hard work=win
*average iq+hard work=epic win
*high iq+hard work=...

Note: einstein with an estimated iq of 164 only got an estimated atar of 80.

OMG HAHA


to the above post with that quote from wikipedia, I totally agree.
I have a couple of friends who have 150+ IQ. They are pretty arrogant and always talk to people like they're better than them. One of them also doesn't give a crap about school - and ended up with pretty shit prelim rankings. She doesn't care.

So I guess in the end, it all comes down to how much sweat and blood you shed for it.


How much do those internationally recognised IQ tests cost anyway?

 

[ninetypercent]

if you don't work hard, you won't get anywhere!!!!
no matter how smart you are.

SO WORK HARD!!!! THATS THE GOLDEN RULE!!!!

im freaked out now coz you guys are all freaking me out

 

[Klutsov]

SO WORK HARD!!!! THATS THE GOLDEN RULE!!!!

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Hard work is all that is required to get a good ATAR

 

[nonsenseTM]

just to inform u guys, iq tests only gives u an estimate of how good u are at "picking up things" or "finding patterns" but not really gives u ur true intelligence. The definition of intelligence is very broad and cannot be measured by a single test like an iq test.

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