HSC 2012-14 MX2 Integration Marathon (archive) (4 Viewers)

[Shadowdude]

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tis' not integration, no wonder you failed MX2

what

i thought this was the marathon in general


oh oops

 

[deswa1]

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what

i thought this was the marathon in general


oh oops

Is that a typo with the du on the end? Regardless, its an impossible integral within elementary functions iirc.

 

[Shadowdude]

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Is that a typo with the du on the end? Regardless, its an impossible integral within elementary functions iirc.

the question is correct as typed.

 

[Sindivyn]

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what

i thought this was the marathon in general


oh oops

Edit: ucos(x^2) + c?

 

[D94]

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Solid question.

Is that a typo with the du on the end? Regardless, its an impossible integral within elementary functions iirc.

Maybe you need to rethink your reasoning as to why it is "impossible". How about:

 

[Sindivyn]

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Solid question.



Maybe you need to rethink your reasoning as to why it is "impossible". How about:

I think I see now - the x just becomes a constant (or whatever value is in it)?

 

[D94]

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I think I see now - the x just becomes a constant (or whatever value is in it)?

Yep, that's right. A constant with respect to y (in my example).

 

[Shadowdude]

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Edit: ucos(x^2) + c?

ding ding ding

correctamundo


now:

 

[Sindivyn]

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ding ding ding

correctamundo


now:

let u = x^-1
du = -x^-2dx = -1/x^2 dx

= -

 

[Sindivyn]

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Now find

 

[deswa1]

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Maybe you need to rethink your reasoning as to why it is "impossible". How about:

Oh yeah I get that. I thought it was a mistype and was meant to be dx- with dx its impossible right?

 

[Shadowdude]

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Oh yeah I get that. I thought it was a mistype and was meant to be dx- with dx its impossible right?

No...

You learn how to do it in second year. Uses complex numbers.

Answer is actually

 

[deswa1]

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No...

You learn how to do it in second year. Uses complex numbers.

Answer is actually

How do you have a definite value for an indefinite integral?

 

[Shadowdude]

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How do you have a definite value for an indefinite integral?

oh oops, limits are 0 to infinity.

LOLOLOLOL

my bad

 

[deswa1]

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oh oops, limits are 0 to infinity.

LOLOLOLOL

my bad

Oh right- yeah that makes sense. I've seen some things like this- want to learn how to do them sometime.

 

[Shadowdude]

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Oh right- yeah that makes sense. I've seen some things like this- want to learn how to do them sometime.

It's pretty cool how it's derived. Difficult, but cool.

More cool once you look at the graph:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cos%28x^2%29+from+0+to+infinity

It's the area from 0 to whatever the first root is, then minus the area, then plus a little, minus a little... etc. etc. etc. etc.

And it neatly converges.

 

[Aesytic]

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Now find

let u=e^x
du = e^x * dx

I = integral{(e^x * e^x)/(e^x+1)}dx
= integral{u/(1+u)}du
= integral{1-(1/(1+u)}du
= u - ln(1+u)
= e^x - ln(e^x+1) + C

 

[nightweaver066]

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Oh right- yeah that makes sense. I've seen some things like this- want to learn how to do them sometime.

Try this:

http://community.boredofstudies.org/showthread.php?t=274318&p=6024554&viewfull=1#post6024554

 

[D94]

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Oh right- yeah that makes sense. I've seen some things like this- want to learn how to do them sometime.

Probably the Error Function.

 

[Shadowdude]

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Well, my method uses integrating over a contour in the complex plane and taking real and imaginary parts.

Which is pretty cool because... well, it is.



if i survive until honours - i might like to dabble in this sort of thing.