High performing teachers to earn six figure salaries (2 Viewers)

[Crobat]

This is not just one dimensional problem and cannot be solved just by paying teachers more...IMO

There will be more changes to come imo, but this is a good start and won't likely be the end of it.

 

[nerdasdasd]

This is not just one dimensional problem and cannot be solved just by paying teachers more...IMO

+1.

 

[Quadro]

There will be more changes to come imo, but this is a good start and won't likely be the end of it.

yea well but why not think and do perfect upfront...system's just broken and that's it

 

[Crobat]

yea well but why not think and do perfect upfront...system's just broken and that's it

You can't just fix a broken system all in one go...

 

[isildurrrr1]

You can't just fix a broken system all in one go...

Season 4 of the wire shows a pretty good reason why schools will never be fixed.

 

[newcastle2012]

The teachers deserve this and providing incentives to perform will only enhance the effectiveness of the teachers and provide incentive not only for great teachers but the lazy teachers as well to perform to their best.

 

[isildurrrr1]

The teachers deserve this and providing incentives to perform will only enhance the effectiveness of the teachers and provide incentive not only for great teachers but the lazy teachers as well to perform to their best.

Measuring teacher performance based on exams isn't really good either because it creates an incentive for teachers to cheat for their students.

 

[newcastle2012]

That isn't what this is about it is about teachers displaying that they know what they are teaching deeply and being able to teach it effectively not based purely of exam performance otherwise poor performing areas will have chronic shortages of teachers as they all compete for the more accomplished schools

 

[JustDance]

well it's ok iniciative cuz basically you should put people of crucial professions off the worries of surviving, and make them more relaxed and focused, yeah

 

[Fizzy_Cyst]

this

Last I heard of the HAT was external assessors come in and assess your lessons etc to determine if you are HAT. It is not a simple viewing, but it is almost like a portfolio. The teacher has to pay for the assessors to come out and if they don't 'pass' then they still foot the bill.
AFAIK in the next couple of years, all teachers will need to accredited and maintain this accreditation every 5 years through professional development. HAT are additional to this accreditation.
A HAT will be part of the executive, but only on half a teaching load, remainder of the load is to support other teachers.
I have a very superficial understanding atm, but I will be finding out more as I will endeavour to be one of these in the next few years.
At the moment there are very few HAT in the state. I can't remember the exact number, but it was around 10-15 last I heard

That isn't what this is about it is about teachers displaying that they know what they are teaching deeply and being able to teach it effectively not based purely of exam performance otherwise poor performing areas will have chronic shortages of teachers as they all compete for the more accomplished schools

Most of the best teachers I know are at lower ranked schools. Some teachers at high ranked schools don't even teach.. At least according to my tutor students.

 

[Fizzy_Cyst]

yea well but why not think and do perfect upfront...system's just broken and that's it

So, are you saying if you can't fix it all in one go, then we shouldn't bother?

Social perception of the occupation needs to change. I have worked with so many good teachers who work so hard, yet rarely get any 'thank you' from anyone, students, parents, other members of the staff. But, it really doesn't matter cuz they don't do it for the praise, they do it to make a difference.

The only people who understand how hard good teachers work are those good teachers, cuz they do it quietly and just get it done and don't want public praise

 

[nerdasdasd]

Last I heard of the HAT was external assessors come in and assess your lessons etc to determine if you are HAT. It is not a simple viewing, but it is almost like a portfolio. The teacher has to pay for the assessors to come out and if they don't 'pass' then they still foot the bill.
AFAIK in the next couple of years, all teachers will need to accredited and maintain this accreditation every 5 years through professional development. HAT are additional to this accreditation.
A HAT will be part of the executive, but only on half a teaching load, remainder of the load is to support other teachers.
I have a very superficial understanding atm, but I will be finding out more as I will endeavour to be one of these in the next few years.
At the moment there are very few HAT in the state. I can't remember the exact number, but it was around 10-15 last I heard



Most of the best teachers I know are at lower ranked schools. Some teachers at high ranked schools don't even teach.. At least according to my tutor students.

*cough cough*... the students are probably too smart lol.

 

[Fizzy_Cyst]

*cough cough*... the students are probably too smart lol.

One of my students from one of the best schools in the state, said his teacher (who was Head Teacher of Science), would come into the room, eat a sandwich, tell the students do this worksheet, that worksheet and either leave the room for the period or sit up the front with his feet on his desk. Granted they are smart and they will go well regardless, but teachers need to aim to make students go BETTER, not just go good.

I don't even see how teachers like that serve a purpose.

 

[nerdasdasd]

One of my students from one of the best schools in the state, said his teacher (who was Head Teacher of Science), would come into the room, eat a sandwich, tell the students do this worksheet, that worksheet and either leave the room for the period or sit up the front with his feet on his desk. Granted they are smart and they will go well regardless, but teachers need to aim to make students go BETTER, not just go good.

I don't even see how teachers like that serve a purpose.

^ Agreed.... If teachers do that, it is just a waste of tax payers money.

 

[newcastle2012]

Most of the best teachers I know are at lower ranked schools. Some teachers at high ranked schools don't even teach.. At least according to my tutor students.

Exactly I agree entirely tho when they have a track record of high achievements it influences them towards a higher pay bracket if you know what I mean

 

[JohnMaximus]

The reason teachers get little respect is because they are failed students who are fraudulently taking taxpayers money to teach subjects they couldn't understand themselves.

 

[nerdasdasd]

The reason teachers get little respect is because they are failed students who are fraudulently taking taxpayers money to teach subjects they couldn't understand themselves.

No that is not true. Teachers get little respect because some students:
A) do not care about education,
b) are forced into going to school
C) , think school is boring,
d) think teachers are unengaging
E) have something against them (e.g. She's such a bitch, he always picks on me)

 

[JohnMaximus]

No that is not true. Teachers get little respect because some students:
A) do not care about education,
b) are forced into going to school
C) , think school is boring,
d) think teachers are unengaging
E) have something against them (e.g. She's such a bitch, he always picks on me)

You only covered students.

 

[Crobat]

No that is not true. Teachers get little respect because some students:
A) do not care about education,
b) are forced into going to school
C) , think school is boring,
d) think teachers are unengaging
E) have something against them (e.g. She's such a bitch, he always picks on me)

I think it's mostly because they are seen to have less working hours and more holidays, misguidedly anyway.

 

[isildurrrr1]

No that is not true. Teachers get little respect because some students:
A) do not care about education,
b) are forced into going to school
C) , think school is boring,
d) think teachers are unengaging
E) have something against them (e.g. She's such a bitch, he always picks on me)

Blame parenting. Parents are a huge part of education in a child's life and being actively involved plays a crucial component in their development. I noticed students in aussieland are way more disruptive than anywhere else. Shit try being disruptive in asia, glhf bro.