C_master
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ngl I thought u were a guyyou sound like a sheep. its wrong. you shouldnt do it. no one else should do it. but everyone is supporting a mental ilness instead of treating it. stfu.
ngl I thought u were a guyyou sound like a sheep. its wrong. you shouldnt do it. no one else should do it. but everyone is supporting a mental ilness instead of treating it. stfu.
How is it different from they tho???gender neutral pronouns
coz ones specific for nonbinaryHow is it different from they tho???
I'M HAVING A ZEZIRwtf is ze/zir or smth
Bro I know it's just an opinion and what I'm saying is just an opinion but is there any evidence supporting your claim that being transgender or just having pronouns in your bio is a mental illness? What justification do you have apart from it not adhering to societal norms?you sound like a sheep. its wrong. you shouldnt do it. no one else should do it. but everyone is supporting a mental ilness instead of treating it. STFU.
it’s not as simple as just not adhering to societal norms. It’s creating ur own fairytale with your ambitious attempt to ever embrace postmodernism. And then making the rest of society believe what you do even tho what your doing is not scientifically or metaphysically possible. But no for some reason it continues to be pushed today.Bro I know it's just an opinion and what I'm saying is just an opinion but is there any evidence supporting your claim that being transgender or just having pronouns in your bio is a mental illness? What justification do you have apart from it not adhering to societal norms?
Anything that tends toward people hating their genitals to the point of wanting to mutilate or remove them is surely disordered. Not all troonsgonders do this, but it's the same kind of mindset.I'M HAVING A ZEZIR
Bro I know it's just an opinion and what I'm saying is just an opinion but is there any evidence supporting your claim that being transgender or just having pronouns in your bio is a mental illness? What justification do you have apart from it not adhering to societal norms?
Don't you think it's funny that the same people supporting mental illness are the ones who love black people? Ooops.you sound like a sheep. its wrong. you shouldnt do it. no one else should do it. but everyone is supporting a mental ilness instead of treating it. stfu.
that was so poeticIt’s creating ur own fairytale with your ambitious attempt to ever embrace postmodernism.
that was so poeticIt’s creating ur own fairytale with your ambitious attempt to ever embrace postmodernism.
now what does race have to do with anythingDon't you think it's funny that the same people supporting mental illness are the ones who love black people? Ooops.
Idk, just seems weird that mentally ill people/supporters would like this person's race - what does that say about black people?now what does race have to do with anything
So when transgendered people say they're "born this way", that is obviously wrong, because gender isn't innate but socially constructed.gender ≠ biological sex
Gender encompasses the norms and expectations that society chooses to associate with certain biological sexes,
Do you consider women's spaces to be part of day to day life? Like women's bathrooms, change rooms, gyms, sports, medical faciliities etc?What your genitals are are none of my business, and my genitals are none of your business either in a day-to-day setting.
This stuff is being pushed onto people's children - that's the main thing.So many people get pressed by the 5% who exaggerate this debacle online and make inflammatory comments for the sake of views and attention.
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No, the meaningful exchange of ideas that conform to politically correct standard is what I think you mean.: our daily interactions with other people should not be based on their biological sex because it's none of our business, plus our interactions should be based on the meaningful conversations and the exchange of ideas and experiences we have with each other.
I consider the statement made by some trans people online stating they're "born this way" as how they love to express themselves according to society's ideas of gender. For example, a trans man will express themselves in a socially-understood masculine way and use he/him pronouns as that is what they feel affirmed by. : )So when transgendered people say they're "born this way", that is obviously wrong, because gender isn't innate but socially constructed.
I believe that people who identify outside of the gender binary should use spaces related to their biological sex, such as male/female bathrooms etc, as that is their inherent biology -- they are private spaces after all, and thus we should respect each other's privacy. As a note however, I currently do not have an opinion on changing biological sex, as scientific and legal studies and consensus has still not been established and I am always being informed by new perspectives and research. Has anyone watched Jubilee Middle Ground videos with trans people? I watched the trans vs de-trans video a while ago and it opened me up to new views I hadn't previously considered.Do you consider women's spaces to be part of day to day life? Like women's bathrooms, change rooms, gyms, sports, medical faciliities etc?
I agree, social media rules and restrictions are too lax, and parents, the education system and the law are not doing enough to protect children + educate older kids and teenagers on alogrithms, echo chambers and its impact on polarisation.This stuff is being pushed onto people's children - that's the main thing.
Please don't put words into my mouth and be disrespectful : ). What I meant by my statement is simply what we are doing right now -- this is positive and meaningful social discourse, because we are exchanging our views with each other, and this discourse is not informed by my biological sex or yours (at least from my side).No, the meaningful exchange of ideas that conform to politically correct standard is what I think you mean.
see this is where it can become dangerous, im a woman, im gonna use the women's bathrooms. someone whos biologically a woman but identifies as a male comes into the bathroom, do i not feel uncomfortable by someone who LOOKS like a man but claims to need to use the women's bathrooms? a) there have been so many cases of sexual assault especially in schools bc of this. b) what abt women who wear the hijab and they see someone who looks like a guy coming into the bathrooms. c) what abt women changing in the bathrooms.I believe that people who identify outside of the gender binary should use spaces related to their biological sex, such as male/female bathrooms etc, as that is their inherent biology -- they are private spaces after all, and thus we should respect each other's privacy. As a note however, I currently do not have an opinion on changing biological sex, as scientific and legal studies and consensus has still not been established and I am always being informed by new perspectives and research. Has anyone watched Jubilee Middle Ground videos with trans people? I watched the trans vs de-trans video a while ago and it opened me up to new views I hadn't previously considered.
I totally get what you mean and in retrospect I could be taken aback too. But the question comes in is, where do these people go, considering that society is largely against trans people using bathrooms that align with their gender? Then again, we probably encounter more masc-presenting ciswomen/more fem-presenting cismen than actually trans people because their population is so small, especially considering trans people who have not medically transitioned would display biologically inclined physical features. In reference to points (a) could you clarify who committed assault against who plus do you have sources? (b) muslim women (assuming that is who you are referring to) are respected if only trans people who are biologically female use female bathrooms right, based on my understanding (anyone knowledgeable on schools of islamic thought pls correct me if I'm wrong! thanks). Also, just as we are respecting other people's religious identity, those people should also respect others' identities as Australia is a free and secular country. (c) surely people change in bathroom stalls right, not in front of the basins or stuff-see this is where it can become dangerous, im a woman, im gonna use the women's bathrooms. someone whos biologically a woman but identifies as a male comes into the bathroom, do i not feel uncomfortable by someone who LOOKS like a man but claims to need to use the women's bathrooms? a) there have been so many cases of sexual assault especially in schools bc of this. b) what abt women who wear the hijab and they see someone who looks like a guy coming into the bathrooms. c) what abt women changing in the bathrooms.
But let's go with your rationale, what about a trans woman walking into men's bathrooms if they're biologically male... yk how weird that can also be for the guys in the bathrooms? They see someone who looks like a girl walking in and they're supposed to be fine with that?
i don't even have the expertise on this, im gonna be honest i don't know. if u make a bathroom specific for trans people then they're gonna get offended that ur not treating them like a "real" man or woman, i don't even know how it would work i cant lie and that's why its a difficult issue, its not a black and white situation.But the question comes in is, where do these people go, considering that society is largely against trans people using bathrooms that align with their gender? Then again, we probably encounter more masc-presenting ciswomen/more fem-presenting cismen than actually trans people because their population is so small, especially considering trans people who have not medically transitioned would display biologically inclined physical features.
-- "To list every single trans-identified male (and proponent of the falsehood that men can be women), domestically and internationally, who has caused harm to women, girls and greater society would take thousands of pages. " This is a legal report btw, so where u said that there's no legal evidence for us to make these claims... is just wrong. Go thru this report, this shows both domestic and intl examples of cases. There's too many on here, and not enough being done about it.(a) could you clarify who committed assault against who plus do you have sources?
idk if ur getting my point, someone who changes their scarf in the bathroom sees someone who LOOKS like a man coming in (they're biologically female tho), are they not supposed to question anything? so now Muslim women cant change in the bathrooms bc they need to respect trans ideologies because this is a free and secular country, it always goes back to that right? Not just Muslim women feeling uncomfortable tho, i guarantee almost every woman regardless of religion would feel very uncomfortable seeing a man walking into the bathrooms, no one would shrug their shoulders and feel like that's normal(b) muslim women (assuming that is who you are referring to) are respected if only trans people who are biologically female use female bathrooms right, based on my understanding (anyone knowledgeable on schools of islamic thought pls correct me if I'm wrong! thanks). Also, just as we are respecting other people's religious identity, those people should also respect others' identities as Australia is a free and secular country.
im talking more about change rooms in schools or in public areas like pools, beaches, etc. ppl change in the bathrooms like that, yes.(c) surely people change in bathroom stalls right, not in front of the basins or stuff-
thanks for this! I'll have a look at it
OH I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABT CHANGING THEIR SCARVES MY BAD OKAY YEAH THATS FAIRidk if ur getting my point, someone who changes their scarf in the bathroom
you're totally right about the black and white thing, when I was typing my answer up I was picturing mall bathrooms since I haven't changed at school in a WHILE (never been so glad that sports isn't compulsory in senior years anymore )i don't even have the expertise on this, im gonna be honest i don't know. if u make a bathroom specific for trans people then they're gonna get offended that ur not treating them like a "real" man or woman, i don't even know how it would work i cant lie and that's why its a difficult issue, its not a black and white situation.
-- "To list every single trans-identified male (and proponent of the falsehood that men can be women), domestically and internationally, who has caused harm to women, girls and greater society would take thousands of pages. " This is a legal report btw, so where u said that there's no legal evidence for us to make these claims... is just wrong. Go thru this report, this shows both domestic and intl examples of cases. There's too many on here, and not enough being done about it.
idk if ur getting my point, someone who changes their scarf in the bathroom sees someone who LOOKS like a man coming in (they're biologically female tho), are they not supposed to question anything? so now Muslim women cant change in the bathrooms bc they need to respect trans ideologies because this is a free and secular country, it always goes back to that right? Not just Muslim women feeling uncomfortable tho, i guarantee almost every woman regardless of religion would feel very uncomfortable seeing a man walking into the bathrooms, no one would shrug their shoulders and feel like that's normal
im talking more about change rooms in schools or in public areas like pools, beaches, etc. ppl change in the bathrooms like that, yes.
lolll its all g tbh i haven't encountered many instances of bathroom incidents myself mayb bc of where i live but most of what i know is from other people's experiences, i reckon its def important to listen to everyone's opinions on this matterthanks for this! I'll have a look at it
OH I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABT THAT MY BAD OKAY YEAH THATS FAIR
you're totally right about the black and white thing, when I was typing my answer up I was picturing mall bathrooms since I haven't changed at school in a WHILE (never been so glad that sports isn't compulsory in senior years anymore )