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I think any country, in fact probably even Islamic countries would like to claim these virtues as their own. The fact is that in any country, there will be some people who adhere to them and some who don't. The values are not unique, or even partially exclusive to Australia. On the other hand...

Every other subject (except for maths) requires you to at least be able to construct short answer responses and essays. But answers in those subjects are not improved by HSC english. For me, the most sophisticated essays were written for Modern History, not English. By HSC level, english itself...

What exactly is "HSC level" english? Are you saying that early school leavers will be unable to communicate in their profession?

English is compulsory while maths is not for one very simple reason - to disadvantage Asians. Of course there have been some side-effects since this policy was implemented, such as making girls attain better uais than guys.

Beckham's was slightly better I'd have to say. Unbelievable goal though.

There's only one undergraduate law degree you can do: bachelor of laws

Kelly lin was it? She's not bad at all - very hot in films.

less caucasians finding asian girls attractive can only be a good thing. on that note why is it that skips have the worst taste when it comes to judging asians. beauty is fairly objective after all and is supposed to transcend cultural backgrounds

You need to show a bit of understanding. It's easy for you to learn the language at yr 4 but far harder for international students to overcome the language barrier. What gives you more right to be in the country than them? The fact that your parents migrated here??

Elendil why do you always make anti-intellectual posts?

Values The imposition of values as requirements for becoming a citizen is clearly arbitrary. Values are indeterminate. What is "democracy" or "respect of the opinions of others" or "fair go" etc. Does democracy refer to system of government? Does the average Australian have an understanding of...

Total rubbish. You become a citizen of a country, not of a nation and therefore should not be forced to speak the language nor share any "values".

why? english isn't as hot as chinese anyway.

Where else is there in New South Wales...

Obviously i meant physically attractive as that's the topic of the thread.

Yeah so we've reached the correct conclusion that Shanghainese people are generally the best.

but you had a deleted post agreeing to the proposition that they are...

there are alot of chinese but they are generally hotter, on average. The big three - Shanghai, Hong Kong, Taiwan tend to generate the hottest people.

Chinese are the hottest out of all asians in my opinion and i'd include honkies and taiwanese as Chinese (as ethnically they are all chinese). Japanese and koreans aren't bad and sometimes south east asians can b okay (if they have chinese heritage) but chinese definately have the best figures.

That would make 30 Grammar students per year - I doubt it. This clique business is rubbish I reckon.