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Oh yes, they are all good things. But its simply the allegorical spirit for me anyway of his message. Since I don't believe in the infallibility of the Bible, I know that it was written by men and accounts are not going to be perfect, nor is the character of Christ. What I'm getting at though...

I just personally think the whole concept an afterlife is the main problem. This is a superstitious ancient belief which has creeped into modern day. It is nothing to do with the other tenets of religion- loving other people etc It only has a self-serving agenda and it is greedy to think we...

This is a good question. That's why my personal philosophy is we should look beyond all these words. I'm a muslim, I'm this bla bla We are really trying to find the best moral philosophy for the propogation of humankind. We need to look for similarity. This broader concept of love that I...

Perhaps this is the first step. Laying down the differences for the night and moving towards similarities. We always do this, but slip back into our comforts. This may be the test, our struggle to love each other. I think the only thing we now need to reconcile is the Kingdom of God that Christ...

I'm tired, but this is a clearer response, I'll give it that. I know this isn't applicable, but many of the US right do not share your view- the simplicity that it is love. They condemn Children to Hell (literal burning torture) for not adheeding to their credo- in fact, they collectively act...

This is a secular theory called "Lying for Christ" and I'll give it some credibility. It flows from Voltaires words that religion would be necessary to invent. Because even if its a load of shit, its still better and much more efficent on a productivity basis to distribute morals through the 10...

This wraps up everything I wanted to say brilliantly. *To add in, I love how Hitchens describes this classical Christian view of Heaven. He is not jsut an atheist, but an anti-theist. His hopes ride on the possibility that he just wants to die in peace and be left alone. If your view is...

This is the sickening fact. We are actually very similar- we're two moralists just on opposite sides of metaphysical coin. We would probably be friends. We both want to do good- yet the major difference is that you deny me of my moral legitimiacy, whereas I not to you. Re-write this without the...

Discussion with you really is pointless. The greatest happiness you will ever feel is now . Your whole self-concept rides on future events, then what, when they don't come to fruition? God can not be proved to not exist for you, as you would cease to exist with him? Who are you, Iron, without...

This has little to do with personal attacks and semantics- the question of whether I respect you as a human should not be raised, it is granted. However, as you point out I strongly disagree in every fashion with your sentiments. If it’s a personal relationship with God you seek and to simply...

They are pressured from the day they grow up to learn that "marriage" is this big thing "between a man and woman" (fuck you gays) bla bla and that is the route to happiness... From the day we enacted this idea of "adultery", that you need to be together with the same person for life, that only...

I'd propose that there would be strong pyschological factors (ie selfishness, love of power) which would motivate anyone towards a religious position. The feeling that you hold an all-knowing truth etc fuels the ego- preachers are the most grubby of all. Firstly, define "christ" and secondly...

Exactly, you’re correct in saying that there is no need to elaborate on its stupidity. Having said that, I very much would be careful in extending that to personal spirituality (something difficult to define) but basically every individuals unique perception of life’s philosophical questions...

Well lets not go there on priests and sexual morality, please! Celibacy would have to be the ultimate denial of life- mose well not have been born IMO (since primarily we should replicate). I'd actually argue that it violates one of your previous arguments, the Catholic love for procreation and...

Most of the time I think this is the driving reason behind conservative thought on sexuality. Sex within marriage etc is all stemmed from a subconscious resentment towards facts outlined by evolutionary biology (coupled with political power around the time of the Gospel writings). Our tribal...

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I find your intense stock of a priori knowledge regarding sexual activity disturbing Iron...

[/B] At least you admit that there is an element of delusion! I'm proud of you, your on the 1st step to your beloved Truth

This is a good point you raise. I know someone who works for the DPP (senior position) and the pressure sometimes to prosecute people even for minor offences is strong. It's often an ethical dilemma, when you need to make an example of someone who made a mistake but is truely sorry and you know...

It's been said before, but I'm reminded of this quote: “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” — Steven Weinberg, New York Times...