okay point taken, sorry if I was generalising. I have lived outside of Sydney before, although that was quite a while back, and I currently live in a rural area right on the city fringe. I was talking more about places like, say, Broken Hill, Cowra, Lightning Ridge, etc. Perhaps I should have been more explicit. Newcastle, at least as far as I remember it, is fine. I just think that there are some places in this state that would be a whole lot better for the introduction of some decent public transport and other such services.