Cadetships 2013 thread (3 Viewers)

[ilikecats]

Yeah I got this too - must of been accounting soc.

I'm not a member of any accounting society/group/club or anything.

 

[dannyvanny]

Hi Guys,

My name is Daniel from Hart Recruitment and I specialise in recruiting for Chartered Accounting. I currently have a client in the BRW top 50 in Sydney that is looking for an experienced cadet of 6-12 months or even more in business services/tax in an accounting firm. Thus, if you're currently an undergrad at uni in your first, second or third year and have Chartered Accounting experience please do not hesitate to contact me at dvan@hartrec.com.au or on 02 8296 5888 for any questions.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers.

 

[ilikecats]

Sounds like a good opportunity

And guys, for those of you with no experience, I say apply anyway!

I applied for several jobs where they PREFERRED experienced cadets, but they were more than happy to look at people with no experience as long as they were interested in becoming accountants!

 

[Omnipotence]

Sounds like a good opportunity

And guys, for those of you with no experience, I say apply anyway!

I applied for several jobs where they PREFERRED experienced cadets, but they were more than happy to look at people with no experience as long as they were interested in becoming accountants!

I don't know. If your client is in the BRW top 50 then work experience might matter lol.

 

[oompaman]

Are there Applications or offers for interviews given out at the cadetship information evening or is it purely an information seminar ? Should you bring along resume reports etc?

Thanks

 

[seremify007]

Are there Applications or offers for interviews given out at the cadetship information evening or is it purely an information seminar ? Should you bring along resume reports etc?

Thanks

Info seminar. The larger firms will encourage you to apply through the standard means (i.e. websites) however some of the smaller firms might be more flexible and willing to take your CV if you really impress them (but don't try and shove it at them)... I personally would just go with an open mind and not carry luggage because it makes it difficult to shake hands (and hold a drink).

 

[RishBonjour]

Just curious: people who have cadetships before uni starts, will they necessarily be miles ahead of those who enter or apply for the same firm during or after completing their degree?

 

[ilikecats]

Just curious: people who have cadetships before uni starts, will they necessarily be miles ahead of those who enter or apply for the same firm during or after completing their degree?

Do you mean is there a difference between two graduate accounts, one of whom has done a cadetship and the other hasn't?

Yes, essentially there is some difference. ALL graduates should have the same basic skills and knowledge acquired during their time at university. The difference between them if they applied for the same job at the same firm is that the one who has had the cadetship has several years experience. They've dealt with actual clients and systems and know how things work. Employers will look favorably upon this.

You wont be miles ahead, but there is a level of difference. Even in just my first year of uni, there are a lot of things I've known that nobody else in my class has. My brother actually once had a tutor that was teaching everybody the wrong information, and if he hadn't have pointed it out, they all would have failed.

 

[seremify007]

Do you mean is there a difference between two graduate accounts, one of whom has done a cadetship and the other hasn't?

Yes. One is ready to roll and work/coach/etc straight away whilst the other will be fresh without any idea what's going on.

 

[RishBonjour]

Yes. One is ready to roll and work/coach/etc straight away whilst the other will be fresh without any idea what's going on.

were you part of an internship BEFORE you started university?
Also, both UNSW and USYD have pathways towards CA right (i.e. recognized degrees).
I'll be doing Comm at USYD but clearly 80% of people on this website go to UNSW so not sure how things work at usyd e.g. when you apply for internships/demand from employers

 

[ZombieApocalypse]

Yes. One is ready to roll and work/coach/etc straight away whilst the other will be fresh without any idea what's going on.

This is what scares me

It basically sounds like, "if you don't get a cadetship/internships/accounting job before you graduate, you're screwed when you enter the workforce"

 

[ilikecats]

This is what scares me

It basically sounds like, "if you don't get a cadetship/internships/accounting job before you graduate, you're screwed when you enter the workforce"

Your not screwed!
I know of a few people that did accounting and had no experience but still got great jobs.

In that situation, they simply earn less than a experienced counterpart.

I mean, in an interview situation where they ask about work experience, just reply you thought it was more important to focus on your studies rather than balance work and education commitments. Most employers won't discount you if you have no experience (particularly if you apply for graduate positions)

If your a graduate from an Australian university, with good marks, who can speak English well, your off to a rolling start

 

[Jinks]

Just curious: people who have cadetships before uni starts, will they necessarily be miles ahead of those who enter or apply for the same firm during or after completing their degree?

Also remember those who have cadetships will have completed 2 years of relevant work experience contributing to the 3 year requirement of the CA program. However the degree itself would have taken an additional year (4 instead of 3) meaning that they are a year ahead of those who didn't have a cadetship. At some firms they offer the possibility of coming back as a "senior graduate" or completely skipping the graduate program if you undertook a cadetship and wish to stay in your division.

 

[ZombieApocalypse]

Your not screwed!
I know of a few people that did accounting and had no experience but still got great jobs.

In that situation, they simply earn less than a experienced counterpart.

I mean, in an interview situation where they ask about work experience, just reply you thought it was more important to focus on your studies rather than balance work and education commitments. Most employers won't discount you if you have no experience (particularly if you apply for graduate positions)

If your a graduate from an Australian university, with good marks, who can speak English well, your off to a rolling start

yes, but that's just the minority of people

I can speak english fluently, i'm just really scared during interviews and say really stupid things. brb unemployed 5eva.


I'm wanting to fix up my resume and start looking for a job in my intended industry before I graduate. If I can land something like that this or next year, i'll be incredibly happy

 

[crazy_paki123]

yes, but that's just the minority of people

I can speak english fluently, i'm just really scared during interviews and say really stupid things. brb unemployed 5eva.


I'm wanting to fix up my resume and start looking for a job in my intended industry before I graduate. If I can land something like that this or next year, i'll be incredibly happy

Dude, your doin B Comm at UNSW, that itself looks appealing to potential employers

 

[RishBonjour]

Also remember those who have cadetships will have completed 2 years of relevant work experience contributing to the 3 year requirement of the CA program. However the degree itself would have taken an additional year (4 instead of 3) meaning that they are a year ahead of those who didn't have a cadetship. At some firms they offer the possibility of coming back as a "senior graduate" or completely skipping the graduate program if you undertook a cadetship and wish to stay in your division.

Wait, so I can apply for internships during my first year of uni right?

yes, but that's just the minority of people

I can speak english fluently, i'm just really scared during interviews and say really stupid things. brb unemployed 5eva.


I'm wanting to fix up my resume and start looking for a job in my intended industry before I graduate. If I can land something like that this or next year, i'll be incredibly happy

UNSW will provide you with heaps of opportunities from what I hear.
but obviously getting internship at some top tier firm will require you to stand out.

 

[ilikecats]

Wait, so I can apply for internships during my first year of uni right?

Yes, you can apply for internships & cadetships during or after your first year at university.
Some firms say school leavers or 1st years can apply, but some only request school leavers.

Being a first year can help, because you can show skills you may have learnt in your first year, that you want to be in accounting and you've got a spot in the course you need for sure and won't be changing to something else any time soon

 

[ZombieApocalypse]

Dude, you're doin B Comm at UNSW, that itself looks appealing to potential employers

I don't know about that

UNSW will provide you with heaps of opportunities from what I hear.
but obviously getting internship at some top tier firm will require you to stand out.

what counts as a 'top tier' firm?


how do they provide opportunities?

 

[ilikecats]

I don't know about that

what counts as a 'top tier' firm?


how do they provide opportunities?

Top Tier genrally means the "big 4" firms.
Some people do include upper mid-tier ones (http://www.kellypartners.com.au/files/media/BRW-Top-100-2011.pdf is a pdf of one of the various ways you could rank them...)


Generally, they will advertise on their websites, job seeking sites (like Seek) and now even facebook pages, and directly through schools and universities.

For the bigger firms, they usually start applications closer to the middle of the year (so students are on holidays and available for interviews)

Since your not a school leaver/will be a first year student, some firms will also have opportunities available during the year from vacancies caused by people leaving or being promoted. Again, their websites and sites like seek advertise those.

 

[ZombieApocalypse]

Top Tier genrally means the "big 4" firms.
Some people do include upper mid-tier ones (http://www.kellypartners.com.au/files/media/BRW-Top-100-2011.pdf is a pdf of one of the various ways you could rank them...)


Generally, they will advertise on their websites, job seeking sites (like Seek) and now even facebook pages, and directly through schools and universities.

For the bigger firms, they usually start applications closer to the middle of the year (so students are on holidays and available for interviews)

Since your not a school leaver/will be a first year student, some firms will also have opportunities available during the year from vacancies caused by people leaving or being promoted. Again, their websites and sites like seek advertise those.

I HAVE MY EYES SET ON RSM BIRD CAMERON NOW. It has the word bird in it. I giggle.

But dayum, I've never heard of any of these firms before. I only recognised ernst and young since i've walked past it a few times (never knew what they actually did though LOL).

I must get my hands on one of these vacancies!