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[Kittycat]

I haven't heard anything like that...

where did you read that?

I forgot where I read it but I think there is a limit .... not sure but I think it is two birth max or something. I heard & read somewhere that in the country, u are allowed two kids, even if the 1st is a boy, u can still have another one or something... (that is if it is not a multiple kids). Do u want me to go back & get the article? (this may take a while 'cuz I find where it is)

 

[Not-That-Bright]

There is video anyway, but I suppose you are right that they would be bias.
Now JM is trying to claim that western society isn't greedy? =/ I think western society is fairly greedy, but I suppose in China where religion (Especially now) has really been lacking people lose some more traditional humanist moral guidelines and just become consumers...
I dunno tho, it's kinda funny claiming that America could be less greedy than China... tho I do think there is some merit to it.

 

[withoutaface]

*sigh

are you refering to Tiananmen again? Look I'm saying it was right, only that it was necessary to maintaining civil stability, which IS VITAL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. Would you have prefered tens of thousands of others to have died suffering from the economic repercussions of a revolution instead?

obviously you haven't understood what you read. Here we go again:

If protests would have ended that widespread as to cause civil instability, guess what? THE CHINESE PEOPLE WANT DEMOCRACY. Despite being brainwashed, despite being unable to hear others' views on why the government is bad, or even see the vast majority of bad things the government has done because the media are not allowed to show them, if there are still enough people who on their own develop the viewpoint that the CCP, despite only being able to see a fraction of their wrongdoings, is bad, then the Chinese people do not want the CCP, they want democracy.

EDIT: I know I said I'd stay out of this thread, but I couldn't.

 

[jm1234567890]

I forgot where I read it but I think there is a limit .... not sure but I think it is two birth max or something. I heard & read somewhere that in the country, u are allowed two kids, even if the 1st is a boy, u can still have another one or something... (that is if it is not a multiple kids). Do u want me to go back & get the article? (this may take a while 'cuz I find where it is)

nah it's fine.

I also thought they relaxed the policy, but I haven't been able to find any articles on it.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

It is a bit of a battle between people who believe in "giving the people what they need" rather than "let the people get what they want".

 

[pete_mate]

indeed HSC Modern History and HSC Economics qualifies you with a 'balanced', 'well-informed', (in accounting policy what we call) 'true and fair' viewpoint.

i would submit that your only 'evidence' so far is 16 years old undermines your 'qualifications' somewhat. NTB has more valid claims than you, in my humble opinion.

so... got any recent examples, pete?

and besides, i would say china's moving away from 'true' socialism...:uhhuh: that's what alicia is saying. do you agree or something?

oh and might i add they've got major social issues like rift between rich and poor, city and rural, population-aging, all that jazz.

i am aware of other examples but seeing as i studied tiananmen in depth i know it cant be argued against, as you have yet to do.

china wants to label itself as "market-socialism" yet a lack of welfare means it is not socialist at all.
it seems to me china wants to have all the benefits of capitalism without political freedoms, sounds like nazi germany to me,

ww3 is gonna be a repeat of ww2

 

[Frigid]

If protests would have ended that widespread as to cause civil instability, guess what? THE CHINESE PEOPLE WANT DEMOCRACY. Despite being brainwashed, despite being unable to hear others' views on why the government is bad, or even see the vast majority of bad things the government has done because the media are not allowed to show them, if there are still enough people who on their own develop the viewpoint that the CCP, despite only being able to see a fraction of their wrongdoings, is bad, then the Chinese people do not want the CCP, they want democracy.

EDIT: I know I said I'd stay out of this thread, but I couldn't.

actually waffy, the people do know that the government isn't topshit. chinese nationals aren't stupid or blind. the only reason why they don't want (they including the CCP) change is because change is unpredictable. if the chinese government is doing an alright job, the economy is prospering, who would want a bloody revolution?

if i may use an Australian analogy - why would we vote for Latham when Howard's doing alright?

 

[Frigid]

i am aware of other examples but seeing as i studied tiananmen in depth i know it cant be argued against, as you have yet to do.

dude, i'm not trying to take sides here. social problems are not clear-cut.

never did i say tainanmen is a good thing. in fact, i think it was bloody bad (and here i use bloody in the literal sense).

but nevertheless, without trying to sound like I'm making excuses here, China is improving.

china wants to label itself as "market-socialism" yet a lack of welfare means it is not socialist at all.

duh

sif china is socialist to any extent nowadays, other than the existence of a centralised government.

it seems to me china wants to have all the benefits of capitalism without political freedoms, sounds like nazi germany to me,

wow-wow, slow down mate.

china is a far cry from nazi germany. it may persecute dissidents, but china isn't committing genocide. if you don't get the difference, maybe you should refer to your history books again.

then again, perhaps you should stop focussing so much on history and look at the present.

ww3 is gonna be a repeat of ww2

full agree. "Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it".

but the questions are, who's going to start war, and upon whom?

 

[pete_mate]

dude, i'm not trying to take sides here. social problems are not clear-cut.

china is a far cry from nazi germany. it may persecute dissidents, but china isn't committing genocide. if you don't get the difference, maybe you should refer to your history books again.

but the questions are, who's going to start war, and upon whom?

spose i should read more economics, but china's history is easy to criticize, as it can only improve from here on.

yeah the nazi thing was a bit much, maybe fascism, in its lack of political freedoms.

the war thing doesnt look good, i did read in the paper that some chinese military training involves attacking USA figurines though

 

[Frigid]

spose i should read more economics

you go do that. i regret not doing ecos in the HSC.

but china's history is easy to criticize.

i reckon it is more difficult to critique history (as compared to critiquing the present) because we see history through so many interfering glosses.

we can raise many normative criticisms against events in history, but at the same time, our views are innately prejudicial because of temporal, social and cultural displacement.

the war thing doesnt look good, i did read in the paper that some chinese military training involves attacking USA figurines though

no mate, China's not going to start war with US. too many things at stake. both countries carry too much nuclear arsenal.

nuclear war = end of world - buhbai.

 

[withoutaface]

The number of people murdered by the CCP over the course of ~60 years is approximately 10 times the number of Jews the Nazis gassed in their ~10 years of power.

 

[Frigid]

The number of people murdered by the CCP over the course of ~60 years is approximately 10 times the number of Jews the Nazis gassed in their ~10 years of power.

yes, but is it genocide? that is, is it discriminatory against a certain race?








(ok, i concede that almost all of those deaths were of chinese people, but that's a sly argument against my initial point)

edit: duh, they had 60 yrs to do it.

besides, with such a big population, there are more dissidents that need killing.

 

[Xayma]

Frigid: They need killing?

 

[Frigid]

Frigid: They need killing?

:uhhuh: as our great leader George W rightly said, "you're either with us, or with the terrorists."

 

[supercharged]

Who gives a damn about political freedoms as long as life is good? In most democracies where voting is optional, the participation rate is dismal in good times. As long as the CPC is doing a good job managing the economy and enabling people's lifestyle to improve, who cares if you can directly elect the president or not?

Better than having the government overthrown like in Russia and having some drunkyard Yeltsin come into power and piss the economy down the drain. It's a good thing that China didn't follow the path of Russia.

Compare China nowadays with Russia, it's fortunate that China cracked down on that western supported movement 16 years ago which had zero mainstream support inside China, (for some reason, the western media still haven't given up on something that no-one cares about). Think about reason why China's GDP has increased by 5 times and Russia's GDP has declined by 4 times since then.

With Gorbachev, what do you see? reform this, reform that, country collapses. Followed by the Yeltsin led drunken decade of economic disaster, nose-diving living standards and rationing, and now finally back to dictatorship and economic stability with Putin.

China's economy accounted for 25% of the world's economic growth in the last two years and with sustained 9% yearly economic growth, living standards are fast rising with more mobile phones users than people in America, extremely rapid broadband internet expansion and consumerist culture. If China was crashed by internal problems in 1989, it would not become what it is now.

 

[Frigid]

Who gives a damn about political freedoms as long as life is good?

well, if one is content with being a well-fed slave, then your point is quite correct.

but the thing is, i would argue, political freedoms and human rights are an integral part of a good life.

 

[pete_mate]

Better than having the government overthrown like in Russia and having some drunkyard Yeltsin come into power and piss the economy down the drain. It's a good thing that China didn't follow the path of Russia.

Compare China nowadays with Russia, it's fortunate that China cracked down on that western supported movement 16 years ago which had zero mainstream support inside China, (for some reason, the western media still haven't given up on something that no-one cares about). Think about reason why China's GDP has increased by 5 times and Russia's GDP has declined by 4 times since then.

China's economy accounted for 25% of the world's economic growth in the last two years and with sustained 9% yearly economic growth, living standards are fast rising with more mobile phones users than people in America, extremely rapid broadband internet expansion and consumerist culture. If China was crashed by internal problems in 1989, it would not become what it is now.

you cant compare it to russia. russia was spending half of its GDP on defence, and it was already utilizing capital machinary except in a communist, inefficient manner. in order to increase GDP russia has to undergoe massive restructuring, in an economy thats mainly only functioning to produce weapons

whereas: china had spend next to nothing on capital machinery and instead relied on its massive labour, such as in mao's stupid "great leap forward" where country towns produced steel with crap tools and machinery and 50 million people starved.

so all china had to do was purchase capital machinery, and there you have it, increased productivity and therefore GDP.

During Mao's dictatorship that lasted for 40 years of stagnant growth you might have thought this was the best that china could acheive, if thought not; you'd of been killed, much like today.

it will be 50 years before china has a GDP per capita anywhere near the US, perhaps with a differant governemtn it could be 30

 

[supercharged]

well, if one is content with being a well-fed slave, then your point is quite correct.

Well if this "well fed slave" also enjoys a nice crib, luxury car, hot women, plasma TV, overseas holidays, flash clothes, plenty of spending money, fine dining and entertainment, then a slave's life for me

 

[neo o]

I've been to China. In two years I'll be going on exchange to China for a year. You all know my opinion on China and Frigid, Alicia - you're both being arsetits. China is fucked however, I'm not worried on a personal level at least because.

- Indonesia hates China
- Indonesia has the third largest military in the world
- Indonesia is between us and them.

Your country is fucked. Have a nice day.

 

[pete_mate]

Well if this "well fed slave" also enjoys a nice crib, luxury car, hot women, plasma TV, overseas holidays, flash clothes, plenty of spending money, fine dining and entertainment, then a slave's life for me

surely isnt mainland china, the GDP per capita there is a 6th of what it is here, and that is PPP (adjusted for purchasing power)

if you can find a job that is, their unemployment is double ours, whilst excluding any unemployed that have given up, or dont live in urban areas