Civil/Structural Engineering (3 Viewers)

[Statical]

I am wondering if 2 Unit Maths is substantial (or do you need 3U as well?) in order to do Civil/Structural Engineering at University? I've heard it can be done at TAFE, then you can articulate into University if you do not have a good enough UAI. I do the following subjects:

General Maths
Standard English
Business Studies
Biology
Earth and Environmental Science

I have looked at the 2U course in great detail, and I understand the concepts quite well (General Maths is easy, but I only dislike financial maths cause I can't do it lol).

I seem to enjoy doing the more "pure" side of maths rather then the applied stuff in General. Besides, I can do all the things in General Maths like graphing, etc and since I've looked at the course content in 2U and worked through an Excel book, it seems quite easy (not to say it doesn't have it's difficult sides). Though I do plan on doing 2U Maths with OTEN after I finish Yr12. (Just the course content, no exams and stuff, cause I'd have to wait two years, and besides all I need to know is the course content, and have it as background knowledge)

Basically what I'm asking (I feel like I've mumbled on for a bit), can Civil/Structural Engineering be done with 2U as background, or do you need 3U as well? By the way, how hard is the Engineering Maths at Uni?

 

[Uncle]

I am wondering if 2 Unit Maths is substantial (or do you need 3U as well?) in order to do Civil/Structural Engineering at University? I've heard it can be done at TAFE, then you can articulate into University if you do not have a good enough UAI. I do the following subjects:

General Maths
Standard English
Business Studies
Biology
Earth and Environmental Science

I have looked at the 2U course in great detail, and I understand the concepts quite well (General Maths is easy, but I only dislike financial maths cause I can't do it lol).

I seem to enjoy doing the more "pure" side of maths rather then the applied stuff in General. Besides, I can do all the things in General Maths like graphing, etc and since I've looked at the course content in 2U and worked through an Excel book, it seems quite easy (not to say it doesn't have it's difficult sides). Though I do plan on doing 2U Maths with OTEN after I finish Yr12. (Just the course content, no exams and stuff, cause I'd have to wait two years, and besides all I need to know is the course content, and have it as background knowledge)

Basically what I'm asking (I feel like I've mumbled on for a bit), can Civil/Structural Engineering be done with 2U as background, or do you need 3U as well? By the way, how hard is the Engineering Maths at Uni?

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[Statical]

What about the answer to my other question about 2U/3U?

 

[Uncle]

What about the answer to my other question about 2U/3U?

2 unit maths is the main meal.
3 unit is the sauce.
4 unit is the garnish.

i.e.
2 unit is sufficient if you can keep up with da flo.
dont even dare do engineering with only general maths,
swap to 2 unit immediately, it is second nature by first year uni.

 

[Statical]

I forgot to mention I'm in Year 12 now, so it's a little too late.

 

[undalay]

General math = not math
2u = 99% applied math 1% pure math
3u = 98% applied math 2% pure math
4u = 97% applied math 3% pure math


Pure math is a killer.

 

[jb_nc]

buy a ti-89/hp-50g live forever

none of the idiot oldies in exams know wtf a graphix calculator is btw

 

[Statical]

So you could say when I do 2U after my HSC (only the coursework, no re-doing HSC etc), I would be able to do Structural Engineering?

 

[undalay]

It all depends on what you define as "do".

I mean with general maths you can definitely attempt the course, and it is definitely possible to mass. With 4u maths you can definitely attempt the course, and you can definitely fail as well.

If you are set on structural engineering then yes learning about after the HSC would be highly recommended.

Maybe in these fields:

Differentiation/Integration (including trig functions, logs, exponentials, inverses)
Vectors
Some graphing (trig functions, logs, exponentials, inverses)
Application of calculus: maybe some rate of change?

Probably much more, you can can help me list them.

 

[Statical]

I've looked at Differentiation/Integration, I find it pretty easy so far, and if you don't mind me asking, what aspects of the 3U course are used in Structural Engineering?

Say I didn't get the UAI I wanted to get into this course, could I do Structural Engineering through TAFE and then articulate into a University course?

 

[tommykins]

you will ABSOLUTELY DEFINITIVELY struggle if you've only done general mathematics and are planning to do civil engineering.

 

[undalay]

I think doing complex numbers will help.

 

[Statical]

lol, why is it that people are re-answering the same question, I clearly understand General Maths is a no no for Civil Engineering/Structural Engineering, which is why I plan on doing 2U after my HSC is complete to learn the coursework before enrolling into a Structural/Civil Engineering course. I was just enquiring if 2U was substantial background knowledge or if 3U was recommended and which aspects of the 3U course are used in Structural Engineering.

 

[undalay]

lol, why is it that people are re-answering the same question, I clearly understand General Maths is a no no for Civil Engineering/Structural Engineering, which is why I plan on doing 2U after my HSC is complete to learn the coursework before enrolling into a Structural/Civil Engineering course. I was just enquiring if 2U was substantial background knowledge or if 3U was recommended and which aspects of the 3U course are used in Structural Engineering.

3U.
Parametrics
Applications of calculus

4U.
Complex numbers
Integration
Mechanics
Graphing

 

[tommykins]

you don't go straight into structural engineering afaik.

 

[Statical]

Thank you very much. Is it worth taking a whole 3U and 4U course, or would it be better to learn the whole 2U course, and then learning specific subtopics of the 3U and 4U courses?

 

[undalay]

Thank you very much. Is it worth taking a whole 3U and 4U course, or would it be better to learn the whole 2U course, and then learning specific subtopics of the 3U and 4U courses?

You wouldn't even need to learn the whole 2U course (although I suppose it might help)

 

[walkorboggit]

i am trying to get into mechanical engineering and i need 2 do 3 unit or higher and when i looked at the assumed knowledge most of the engineering courses required 3 unit or higher but i can't remember if civil/structural was one of them.

 

[wrxsti]

i am trying to get into mechanical engineering and i need 2 do 3 unit or higher and when i looked at the assumed knowledge most of the engineering courses required 3 unit or higher but i can't remember if civil/structural was one of them.

All engineering courses recommends 3 unit mathematics.

To sum everything up.

General Math: Your screwed, or you can study your ass off.
2unit math: Recommended as minimum, still need a lot of study at uni.
3unit math: Very good, ordinary study at uni.
4unit math: Quote from my lecturer "Students here who have done 4 unit maths in high school don't necessarily need to come to class, although its up to you"

 

[Aquawhite]

^_^ I'm going to do structural engineering once I can get into university... and as said above, you won't start structural straight away, you begin with a basic (general) course for engineering, even if you chose Structural Engineering at Sydney... there is a quick general part.

The work will be pretty difficult at university and good examples as said above in the previous posts.., I'm going to do MX2 and complete just for the fact that I can and it looks fun (and challenging) but there is great application to the civil engineering which I want to study eventually.