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I think they had another website similar to this one before but this allows you to compare specialties. Looks slightly better and gives you trainee numbers too which weren't provided before. The trainee numbers should be divided by the number of years required for training to give you the intake of specialists per year, this is on average but will vary year to year.

As you can see most specialties are oversubscribed as I've stated earlier.

Also the number of hours worked I feel is understated as you will be oncall and will be rostered for overtime when training. Also don't forget your other commitments in research, education etc. if you are involved.

http://www.mapmycareer.health.nsw.gov.au/Pages/Compare.aspx
 

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Yeah, saw this last week. Pretty useful tool IMO
 

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I'm glad to see that Emergency Medicine is undersubscribed.

Although that might be a completely different story in a couple years.
 

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Quite good, I played around and compared a few specialties. But man the competition is always high! At the end of the day its Medicine and its prestigious.
 

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Interesting. I was looking at how oral and maxillofacial surgery is undersubscribed, wondering why considering it's a "surgical" course. But then I scrolled down and realised you need BOTH a dental degree and a med degree... kinda stupid (but it explains why there is only ONE trainee nationally)
 

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Great link Medman - cheers for that. A question for you guys, but is the speciality oversubscribed from a graduate standpoint? I know that in many non-medical fields, there are shortage of graduate opportunities, but also a shortage in experienced professionals down the line. Is it the case that there aren't enough training programs despite demand down the line, or are there just to many specialists in each "oversubscribed" field?
 

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I was more surprised to see that Sports Medicine was undersubscribed - I would have thought that to be a super popular speciality.
 

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I think they had another website similar to this one before but this allows you to compare specialties. Looks slightly better and gives you trainee numbers too which weren't provided before. The trainee numbers should be divided by the number of years required for training to give you the intake of specialists per year, this is on average but will vary year to year.

As you can see most specialties are oversubscribed as I've stated earlier.

Also the number of hours worked I feel is understated as you will be oncall and will be rostered for overtime when training. Also don't forget your other commitments in research, education etc. if you are involved.

http://www.mapmycareer.health.nsw.gov.au/Pages/Compare.aspx
What are the hours like for those who are still in specialist training? (I'm assuming the hours stated in the website are for consultants).
 

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I think they had another website similar to this one before but this allows you to compare specialties. Looks slightly better and gives you trainee numbers too which weren't provided before. The trainee numbers should be divided by the number of years required for training to give you the intake of specialists per year, this is on average but will vary year to year.

As you can see most specialties are oversubscribed as I've stated earlier.

Also the number of hours worked I feel is understated as you will be oncall and will be rostered for overtime when training. Also don't forget your other commitments in research, education etc. if you are involved.

http://www.mapmycareer.health.nsw.gov.au/Pages/Compare.aspx
While this is a fun tool to use and reflects some general ideas about the specialist workforce, I think that there are a few important points to note:

The hours are an average of full-time and part-time in public and private practice, which as Medman implies will not be reflective at all of work during training. However, it also may not be reflective of work as a consultant. It provides limited information as it does not give how much is earned for those hours worked (ie how much does one need to work to maintain the cost of living).

The way the site has defined oversubscribed vs undersubscribed is on an applications vs training positions basis. In other words, this doesn't indicate whether there are or are not jobs after training and doesn't tell us anything about the workforce. It may be that so-called undersubscribed specialities such as ED might be oversubscribed after training, or oversubscribed specialities such as ophthalmology might be undersubscribed after training.

Additionally, the website doesn't demonstrate the degree of oversubscription, ie one specialty might have 1000 rejected applicants, while another may have only 10 rejected applicants. Applying for a specialty is like applying for a job (which hospital-based medical officers need to do yearly anyway)--like any other discipline, you can expect to be rejected a lot. The difference is that there is always some resident-type job lying around for you (some that pay ungodly amounts) to take up. In any case, some junior doctors give up pursuing a specialty and take the path of practicality by applying for less competitive training programs.

As a whole, the website offers limited insight for medical students and interns in deciding how hard they need to work to get into a training program, but offers no insight as to what happens afterwards.
 
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Why is everything so male dominated?
I don't know if this is an accurate representation. There are more female medical students to start off with (something like 60:40), so they should be going somewhere. Without knowing how these numbers were calculated, the statistic could be skewed for a number if reasons. Perhaps females work more part-time and the ratio was based on hours worked. Perhaps the older, retiring doctors are predominantly male. Perhaps females retire earlier, ie have a shorter working life. Not sure.
 

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Great link Medman - cheers for that. A question for you guys, but is the speciality oversubscribed from a graduate standpoint? I know that in many non-medical fields, there are shortage of graduate opportunities, but also a shortage in experienced professionals down the line. Is it the case that there aren't enough training programs despite demand down the line, or are there just to many specialists in each "oversubscribed" field?
There is a shortage of most specialists, especially in rural areas. If you limit yourself to the city, the competition is generally significantly higher for most specialties.
 

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I don't know if this is an accurate representation. There are more female medical students to start off with (something like 60:40), so they should be going somewhere. Without knowing how these numbers were calculated, the statistic could be skewed for a number if reasons. Perhaps females work more part-time and the ratio was based on hours worked. Perhaps the older, retiring doctors are predominantly male. Perhaps females retire earlier, ie have a shorter working life. Not sure.
I looked at some of the other specialties and there are more females in some of them. My bad.
 

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also important to note the average age of specialists currently practising (as given on the website) for many of the specialties is 50+

this means that whilst certain specialties are over-subscribed atm by the time people our age get close to specialising u can assume a fair few more places will open up as they retire
 

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Schmeag made very important points about undersubscription and oversubscription. ED jobs after training are not that easy to come by as I have spoken to a few new ED consultants and most ED jobs are part time and not full time jobs when you graduate as a consultant. I have heard ophthalmology consultant jobs are available in outer regional/rural areas (Fred Hollows people!).

Also the fact about resident jobs is that there are a number around. I think after you apply many times and get rejected one would need to reconsider their chosen career path.

This is a link to the standard base pay of a doctor throughout their junior and senior years (Page 20). This however does not count overtime and extra rostered shifts you take up. Also if you're a surgeon/physician and get called in for an emergency surgery you will be paid extra.

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/careers/conditions/Awards/hsu_he_profmed_salaries.pdf

Traditionally doctors were a male dominated profession. It is only recently that female medical students started outnumbering male medical students. Surgery has always been a male dominated profession and I think in terms of biology it will always be slightly skewed towards males.
 

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