Devil Takes Hajj Battle, Beats Vegas Spread (2 Viewers)

[Generator]

This thread was already the epitome of low before you (dis)graced it with your presence, my racist Russian friend.

Satire is best served when it is dark and provocative, argonaut.

 

[transcendent]

lol at anti-mathmite's sig. i wouldn't swear to the bible. i'd swear at it. what happens if they ask you to swear to the bible but you call it a non-fiction novel equivalent to Tolkien but not as interesting. what do you have to swear by then?

 

[withoutaface]

This thread was already the epitome of low before you (dis)graced it with your presence, my racist Russian friend.

What Generator said. Just because it's tasteless doesn't mean it's not incredibly funny.

 

[cimbom]

it's sad. they even take little children there...who don't even know what is happening around them...they are so caught up in throwing rocks at the so called devils, that they don't consider the safety of the people around them...don't they have any humanity? imo, i consider this nothing but stupidity, not to mention, a sign of highly uneducated people, even so, a person would feel this, that it is completely illogical.

Look, when you say things about the Hajj like it being sad... i know you're a bit confused by the fact that people take their children there too, and the symbolism of stoning the Devil (there is only one "so- called" Devil), it may seem illogical to you, but it's a really inappropriate comment when you do not know that much about it... to say things like "highly uneducated people" when you're even more so totally unaware of the preparation that Muslims undertake before completing Hajj, or the measures that the Saudi government takes to ensure safety... it's really not THAT simple.

 

[withoutaface]

Obviously they don't take enough such measures.

 

[musik_junky]

yes. it holds a very important point

please explain?

 

[veterandoggy]

how does throwing rocks at a wall, make your sins go away, and how is it associated with a devil?

anyone

well, it isnt that action alone that clears your sins. it is the whole thing from staying on the mountain of arafat to the stoning. from what i remember it is a thing that is over in 4/5 days, to answer PwarYutex, so they have to stone that pillar in the span of one day, but many people want to get it over and done with, hence the large crowds. when i went to stone the pillar we went at night, and it was considerably less congestion. in fact, i didnt have to rub shoulders with anyone while i was there.

back to you sasha, the stoning isnt at the wall, it is at a pillar, which is meant to be like us re-enacting when prophet ibrahim stoned the devil in those three places because he had tried to convince ibrahim not to slaughter his son, as he had been ordered in his dream. so satan isnt actually inside the pillar (theres 3 btw, a big one, a medium one and a small one), it is a symbolic action.

and no amount of enforcement can stop a group of 100,000 or so from taking a step or two each, because if they try to stop the ones at the beginning, it will be like a human enactment of a car when it hits a wall: the front crumples from the force behind it.

 

[cimbom]

Obviously they don't take enough such measures.

... the Saudi Arabian government consistently reviews how Hajj is conducted- pilgrims obviously don't attend now the same way they did maybe in the 1940s or 1950s. For the stoning of the Devil stage in question- they're considering extending the time that you can do it in- that's what i've heard anyway. Like veterandoggy said... there are three sections of the pillar, which they might extend as well.

 

[Jordan.J]

Muslims believe that the devil was a physical being who was able to be stoned by a human?
The devil is a fallen angel; the moment that someone threw a stone he could disappear.

Disappearing is good enough

anyway its a symbolic thing, Abraham did it 5000 years ago so the devil can leave him alone

 

[SashatheMan]

Look, when you say things about the Hajj like it being sad... i know you're a bit confused by the fact that people take their children there too, and the symbolism of stoning the Devil (there is only one "so- called" Devil), it may seem illogical to you, but it's a really inappropriate comment when you do not know that much about it... to say things like "highly uneducated people" when you're even more so totally unaware of the preparation that Muslims undertake before completing Hajj, or the measures that the Saudi government takes to ensure safety... it's really not THAT simple.

you would think the saudi government had enough experience now, to know that people will die and do more to prevent it.

 

[SashatheMan]

please explain?

Yuo would have to watch MTV matrix parody , with will farrell, to understand.

 

[davin]

Muslims believe that the devil was a physical being who was able to be stoned by a human?

The devil is a fallen angel; the moment that someone threw a stone he could disappear.

racism is a term that way too many people use when it doesn't apply.


as for the safety thing, i wonder thing same thing when there's riots at sporting events

 

[HotShot]

you would think the saudi government had enough experience now, to know that people will die and do more to prevent it.

thats bit like saying the RTA should have by now prevented all accidents. But know they havent done anything yet, except increase the fines and reduce the number of police on the roads.

at least islam doesnt have a pope, who sits and does jack shit!

 

[davin]

also sort of an implication that saudi arabia cares. i've always had the impression they sort of...well...don't. its a gov't that has some issues.

 

[Sonic]

you would think the saudi government had enough experience now, to know that people will die and do more to prevent it.

2 million ppl one area... housing,feeding,transporting,co-ordinating.... and also undertaking the hajj.. i think it's good what they have achieved but yes obviously more needs to be done

 

[veterandoggy]

you would think the saudi government had enough experience now, to know that people will die and do more to prevent it.

not many stuff work perfectly first go, that is why they constantly undergo upgrades. that area used to be a one level, two way area, and it has slowly improved to become a two floor one way passage, and i think the saudi government is also considering another floor.

 

[leetom]

Does this even make grammatical sense?

The foam frothing at his mouth resulting from his visceral hatred of anything Islamic prevents him from making any sense.

 

[sly fly]

you would think the saudi government had enough experience now, to know that people will die and do more to prevent it.

Exactly. The saudi govt is pathetic, they really need to take much more measures to prevent large scale accidents in the future.

Anyway, who on earth is this saudi official who claims to be representing the Muslims. I'm sick of all of these self-appointed 'imams'.

 

[withoutaface]

Exactly. The saudi govt is pathetic, they really need to take much more measures to prevent large scale accidents in the future.

Anyway, who on earth is this saudi official who claims to be representing the Muslims. I'm sick of all of these self-appointed 'imams'.

He doesn't exist. The article is satire.

 

[sly fly]

Oh....haha