M-turkey said:
But they're not though. They only claim to be following the Bible or the Koran, but prove me if I'm wrong in saying that neither of those texts have God saying its ok to go out and kill anyone that has wronged you.
Those people are indeed wrong because they are incorrectly using a Holy Text to justify their actions
I posted this is another thread. This was originally posted by me on an anti-Islam website, so that is why I am picking of the Old Testament and not the Koran.
“Whoever rebels against your word and does not obey your words, whatever you may command them, will be put to death. Only be strong and courageous!” (Josh 1:18 )
“See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men… They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it-men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” (Josh 2:2, 21)
“And when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.” (Deut 7:2)
“However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.” (Deut 20:16)
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Sam 15:3)
"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36)
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." (Deuteronomy 13:6-12 )
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)
"Prepare a place to slaughter his sons for the sins of their forefathers; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities." (Isiah 14:21)
"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God.They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)
lollyluu said:
In my opnion I don't believe God exist. But i got nothing to prove he doesn't exist or if he does exist either. It's just how I was brought up and yeah I don't believe in any spiritual stuff either like psychics etc..
This is my first post haha i'm so excited. Anyway this issue would never be settled so I guess there will always be two sides.
Welcome! Anyway, it is true you can not disprove God, but how can you disprove something which people have made unable to be disproven? I've made a scenario where agnosticism is correct, and where atheism is correct.
Say I said there was a fairy right behind you. Before you turn around, it is rational to be agnostic - you CAN disprove it OR prove it, so you are right in being skeptical of its existence, but you'd be irrational if you disbelieved in it completely without turning around.
However, what if I said that the fairy followed you as you turned, so it was always behind you? Also, it made no noise, had no smell, and was invisible in a camera or a mirror. Also, no one else could see it except those who were able to see it. Then would it be rational to be agnostic? No, you'd be in your right mind to be an "atheist" to it (I know it would be more a-fairy, but still). God is like the fairy. Theists have said that God is objectively invisible, and only people in their right mind can see him (feel him). In that way, if God DID exist, he'd be an unjust and evil being to punish me.