HalcyonSky
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thread just keeps on going backwards
but life is sustained without a great designdanpayne said:Only a fool would look around and suggest that a place earth just 'happens' to exist, there is no way life could be sustained without a greater desgin... where did the "massive rock" come from, how did the life start, where did the universe start, try thinking outside of your own immediate context, or you coud just try swear some more, maybe then people will listen
Ignorance is bliss.Will Shakespear said:but life is sustained without a great design
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how many cones u smashed down today bro?Garygaz said:Ignorance is bliss.
Well considering I have 5 exams next week, even one would be a bad idea.HalcyonSky said:how many cones u smashed down today bro?
I've thought about this, though in the end, if there is a God, I don't think we could use logic to understand why things are the way they are. If God created the universe, his level of thinking would be beyond our understanding, therefore if he wished for us to worship him, then using our basic level of logic to try and understand why is futile.Dis Amrahs said:That bitch kills wolves and polar bears! A question to religious people, this isnt specifically to Christians, but why is there such an emphasis on ritual in religion? I mean does god want us to be good people or does he want us to worship him? I understand that some of the rules have a brilliant moral value but why is there such an emphasis on the dogma?
It makes them easier to control.Dis Amrahs said:That bitch kills wolves and polar bears! A question to religious people, this isnt specifically to Christians, but why is there such an emphasis on ritual in religion? I mean does god want us to be good people or does he want us to worship him? I understand that some of the rules have a brilliant moral value but why is there such an emphasis on the dogma?
Why is there something rather than nothing?: I love and hate this question at the same time. Heidegger refers to it as "the first of all questions". It's certainly represents the peak of armchair metaphysics, but at the same time it seems to hit a central nerve running through our existential core.Garygaz said:Why does anything exist? I cannot either fully accept that there is or is not a God. Why does matter, why do atoms, why does energy, and for that matter, why does even open empty space exist? Sure, science can explain how everything happened, but cannot state why energy exists or why anything exists? Look around you in the room you are in, your computer, your friends, emotions, everything, ask yourself why do they exist, not how they came to exist.
If you go back infinite amount of time, everything had to begin with something, and why did that something cause everything? Why did that something even exist? Personally, I think someone is quite closed minded to either be blatantly religious or athiest.
Garygaz said:Not a catalyst in so much as a reason, but a how. Energy creating everything we see, think, hear and know. Energy has always existed. But for energy to always exist it in itself is breaking the law of every other scientific property. Maybe energy is God?
It reminds me of a book i read once by a guy called R. M. Pirsig. He said that any classical dillema affords not two but three classic refutations. Personifying the dilemma in the greek sense as a bull, 'he could take the left horn, or he could take the right horn or he could go between the horns for the eyes and deny that there are only two choices.' All possible worlds exist, theres a god for those who believe in him and no god for those who dont and energy for the people in between. But isn't the concept of 'god' one that relies on absolutism? I'm no philosopher, just confused. What did you mean to say?KFunk said:One possible route to take, when considering the something/vs/nothing quesiton, is to suggest that all possible worlds exist --> i.e. that everything that is possible is (I apologise, the verb 'to be' becomes awkward). In this case you get a somewhat humorous outcome, as put by Nozick (see if you can spot holes in this candidate solution):
"Why is there something rather than nothing? There isn't. There's both."
I believe there has always been something. It's hard to fathom, though. Mind blowing.KFunk said:Aye, I am inclined to think that the fact that we are here suggests that there has always been something, whatever form that something may take.
One possible route to take, when considering the something/vs/nothing quesiton, is to suggest that all possible worlds exist --> i.e. that everything that is possible is (I apologise, the verb 'to be' becomes awkward). In this case you get a somewhat humorous outcome, as put by Nozick (see if you can spot holes in this candidate solution):
"Why is there something rather than nothing? There isn't. There's both."
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance I assume? It's a fun book. I agree that a lot of dilemmas deserve to be challenged head on. A lot of philosophy consists of unasking bad questions (though too often some of the really hard, fundamental questions get brushed over).Dis Amrahs said:It reminds me of a book i read once by a guy called R. M. Pirsig. He said that any classical dillema affords not two but three classic refutations. Personifying the dilemma in the greek sense as a bull, 'he could take the left horn, or he could take the right horn or he could go between the horns for the eyes and deny that there are only two choices.' All possible worlds exist, theres a god for those who believe in him and no god for those who dont and energy for the people in between. But isn't the concept of 'god' one that relies on absolutism? I'm no philosopher, just confused. What did you mean to say?
Garygaz said:I believe there has always been something. It's hard to fathom, though. Mind blowing.
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I just found it interesting that the idea of energy in science actually perfectly (to an extent) fits the definition of God. I'm not saying it's a God as in the guy in the clouds who watches us all day, but just simply, a powerful presence, a higher power in our Universe.
P.s: Kfunk, what do you plan to do with yourself after uni?
I'm nowhere near as wise and well-read as KFunk, but i recommend Basement Books in Railway Square (assuming you live in Sydney). They have shitloads of everything, and all of it is at like a minimum 50% discount off the RRP cos of scratches and ink stains etc. I finish this Wednesday and plan on going straight there, taking $200 and buying whatever look interesting. Although $200 might not cover it...Dis Amrahs said:Yeh the book was Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I originally bought it because i thought it was about motorcycles In two weeks i will be free from the shackles of the HSC, have you got any advice on reading?
I should probably add that if you're after a specific books, then Basement probably isn't the right store. It's more of an impulse-buy place. Unless the book you're after is published by Penguin Classics, because there's a whole section of them.Dis Amrahs said:Cheers moll. i'll check it out. I haven't read for leisure in ages.