Does God exist? (17 Viewers)

[x.christina]

If your an atheist: you go to hell.
If your a jew: you go to hell.
If your a christian: you got to hell.
If your a buddhist: laughter at you.
If your a muslim: Peace and Heaven!

kthanksbye

Kindly leave the room.

 

[Will Shakespear]

Citation needed.

There is god for sure (Christ, 20).


Literature cited:
Christ, J. (20). The Gospel of Matthew. In: The New Testament (Ed by Jehovah), pp 1 - 50. Heaven: Holy Press

 

[Tatecress14]

Hi,
First off - My original post on page '911' had people confused because they didn’t understand they returned with violence, being called obnoxious and creative names all for one I centred, and they did not believe what I believe. I was simply explaining my point of view and my opinions only.
Second – most of what I had talked about in my first post came up over the next few pages. (911 - 917)
Thirdly – I had copied and fixed into one post whereby you could understand.
I know my post was unclear at first, and I centred.
‘Call me a fool once, if I do again, ill call myself a fool.’

Luke.


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It’s Ridiculous!
In today’s society, yes it might be.
Everybody has their different point of view, some more influenced by others, but!
It’s still different; No one tells us what to think. We all think no matter what age, little toddlers might not acknowledge what they are thinking but it shows in their feelings. Ever wonder why a toddler stamps and screams for a toy or a desired event? It’s not because they want it, it’s because they want you to feel the need for why they want it, which leads to the reason of why we need to explain ourselves.

Some chapter in JOB shows that why God doesn’t explain himself, God doesn’t care for all the different views and opinions that the common human being does or doesn’t say or do. They say God is greater for this. My opinion is no God is not greater than human beings for one simple reason, The Bible, we created it, now your thinking the bible is just a book, The bible is much more than a book, The Bible explains hope, fear, knowledge, wisdom and imagination.

Every few years the bible changes, like the New Testament. But for the one fact that everything revolves around the bible, religion, heaven, hell, all types of different religions that we decide if this is the best view of how you as a individual would like it, we gives ourselves titles. Don’t blame them for changing the bible, all the laws revolve around the bible, do not commit adultery and do not steal, Etc, all these are in place to have the feeling that something is greater than us.

I believe that we as human beings are our own God.

“Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime.”

The Bible is our way of life, as we evolve the bible evolves, and it’s not likely to change.


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Originally Posted by Katie Tully
Question: how are we our own god?

Our own god, does at first sound stupid. Think of it this way;
Jesus came, then Jesus was crucified, but left his marks, miracles, feelings and way of thinking behind for us to take down and cherish, the way we remember Jesus is through the Bible.

We created the Bible in memory of Jesus.
Thus creating the bible as a god, in order to feel satisfaction of something greater than us, to strike us down when we do harm, to cherish us when we do great, and above all to enforce our way of ethical feelings. E.g. justice and forgiveness to and for a person.

They realised the Bible was a powerful source, so the laws and rights evolved around the meaning of the Bible, something greater than us.
I do believe that we created the Bible for this one reason.

"Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, Teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime."
Jesus fed you for a day, The Bible will teach you for a lifetime.”


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Originally Posted by moll.
So basically the Bible is our God now? Make up your mind.

"If we created the Bible, then we are our own Gods."


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Originally Posted by moll.
We didn't create the Bible, God did!

The Scriptures are inspired by God... as demonstrated on How Was the Bible Written and Created? | About Catholics

could you honestly tell me that the bible hasn't changed in the last 2 thousand years to co-inside with today’s social and democratic beliefs?
We do change, and we did create.


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Originally Posted by Kwayera
The Bible has changed slightly from what we assume to be the original text, due to contemporary additions and conspicuous removals. However, the core text is the same. What's your point?

We created the bible.


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Originally Posted by Iron
There are NO different sects of the one true Church

Why is there a true church?

Why not simply all true? Is it because if more people follow simply makes it correct or the best one? What happens when people leave to another faith then that becomes the correct one?


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Originally Posted by Iron
Because we are the one authorized by Christ.

Yes and no.

Just because Christianity has Jesus Christ, doesn’t make and other faiths or religions un-real or not correct.

People choose religions because they believe in something correct about a certain faith. I knowingly was brought up to be a Christian, but it was never my own choice.

Individuals have different opinions.


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Originally Posted by Lukybear
If Christ is real, then other Gods do not exists, rendering other faiths unreal and incorrect. It is said in the bible, there is no God but me? No?

If the Bible is correct and there is no other God but Jesus, how come other religions exist?
Religion is based around feelings, individuals have their own feelings and the more good feelings you have for something the more you tend to like.

Spirituality brings people together.

Religions divide. (Giving yourself a title under a certain religion you are separated from another).


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Originally Posted by Exphate
One god, different messiah.

Spirituality is God, bringing hope to people.

Religion is Messiah, different deliverers separate you.


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Originally Posted by Schroedinger
The Bible has changed over 9,000 times.


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[BradCube]

How did you arrive at the impression that the reason the bible was written was to be a god? I don't know of anyone that believes the bible itself is God. It is regarded as a description and story of Gods interaction with human kind.

I'm so confused...

 

[Garygaz]

Lulz I haven't been on these forums in like 6 months and the battle rages on.

 

[Tully B.]

I forgot who, but someone a few pages back said that they had made a decision to believe in God. Belief isn't a choice, is it? Using an absurd example, I can't choose to believe that I'm sitting on a chair right now, nor can I choose to disbelieve it. I believe it whether I like it or not. If someone asks me why I am an atheist, I can only look at them strangely and answer "because I do not believe in God? Do you not know what an atheist is?"

Would I be correct in saying that one's belief in God is every bit as certain as their belief in their current chair-sitting status, if not more certain?

It is for this reason, I think, that the arguments between people of different religions and with those who don't believe in God are played out with such verocity. People on either side of the aisle can't really understand each other, because they cannot really imagine a scenario in which they do not believe what they believe. Thus, their instinct is to think that those who don't believe what they believe are wrong, if not downright stupid.

Furthermore, this is the reason that I find no one religion more believable than the other. Though I think some religions, such as scientology, to be more absurd, they all require that same belief factor that I so lack. There is no level of believability; I don't believe in any of it. Because of my forementioned opinion, however, I do not condemn those who hold other opinions.

Peace.

 

[Tully B.]

If your an atheist: you go to hell.
If your a jew: you go to hell.
If your a christian: you got to hell.
If your a buddhist: laughter at you.
If your a muslim: Peace and Heaven!

kthanksbye

See, this is what I'm talking about!
This arrogant bigot hasn't chosen to be an arrogant bigot, he just is. Poor guy.

 

[Lukybear]

I forgot who, but someone a few pages back said that they had made a decision to believe in God. Belief isn't a choice, is it? Using an absurd example, I can't choose to believe that I'm sitting on a chair right now, nor can I choose to disbelieve it. I believe it whether I like it or not. If someone asks me why I am an atheist, I can only look at them strangely and answer "because I do not believe in God? Do you not know what an atheist is?"

Would I be correct in saying that one's belief in God is every bit as certain as their belief in their current chair-sitting status, if not more certain?

It is for this reason, I think, that the arguments between people of different religions and with those who don't believe in God are played out with such verocity. People on either side of the aisle can't really understand each other, because they cannot really imagine a scenario in which they do not believe what they believe. Thus, their instinct is to think that those who don't believe what they believe are wrong, if not downright stupid.

Furthermore, this is the reason that I find no one religion more believable than the other. Though I think some religions, such as scientology, to be more absurd, they all require that same belief factor that I so lack. There is no level of believability; I don't believe in any of it. Because of my forementioned opinion, however, I do not condemn those who hold other opinions.

Peace.

"Believability" as you so called it is measurable... There is a different between beliving in the invisible chair and solid "i can see brown" chair.

But you are right in saying that belief is not by choice, but predestined by God. In the same way, your free will guarrentees the right of choice in salvation or eternal condemenation... but according to God's plans.

The deciding factor for a person to belive in a certain religion, is from a personal perspectivie, the doctrine and evidence that is presents, and in the Christian case, the Bible. In our current society, especially for those which no concept of God and of the supernatural believing that all can be explained by science, (by no means is this my expression of doubt in science), it is especially difficult to belive.

And please tell me that Tatecress14 is troll!

 

[Tully B.]

"Believability" as you so called it is measurable... There is a different between beliving in the invisible chair and solid "i can see brown" chair.

But you are right in saying that belief is not by choice, but predestined by God. In the same way, your free will guarrentees the right of choice in salvation or eternal condemenation... but according to God's plans.

The deciding factor for a person to belive in a certain religion, is from a personal perspectivie, the doctrine and evidence that is presents, and in the Christian case, the Bible. In our current society, especially for those which no concept of God and of the supernatural believing that all can be explained by science, (by no means is this my expression of doubt in science), it is especially difficult to belive.

And please tell me that Tatecress14 is troll!

First of all, when I say that I don't believe in a measurable believability, I was referring to the supernatural, or religious, believability. I guess I didn't transfer from my analogy smoothly enough... Anyway, no. I don't believe there are different degrees of believability with regards to "these things".

What do you mean by saying my "free will guarrentees the right of choice in salvation or eternal salvation"? There is no free will. Because of God's predestination, I play little or no part in my posthumous existence.

I don't believe that all can be explained by science, at least not at the moment. I am content in knowing that there are things I will never know, such as the origin of the universe. If I were to believe in the big bang, I, like many religious people, would have to ask "but what instigated that"? To me, there is no answer to such questions.

What do you mean by "difficult to believe"? Do we have to strain ourselves in order to achieve belief? To most, it seems as though it has flowed easily and naturally.

I don't know if Tatecress is a troll. I don't really know what she's on about ...

 

[Kwayera]

The deciding factor for a person to belive in a certain religion, is from a personal perspectivie, the doctrine and evidence that is presents, and in the Christian case, the Bible. In our current society, especially for those which no concept of God and of the supernatural believing that all can be explained by science, (by no means is this my expression of doubt in science), it is especially difficult to belive.

I think what Tully B said is more true than you realise. It's not a personal "perspective"; even with a concept of God and "faith" in science, belief isn't a choice that is "difficult" or not. You either do or you don't, and nothing you or anyone can do could, for example, change my non-belief in a god. You couldn't. I couldn't. I have absolute conviction that there is no god, just as I have absolute conviction that I'm sitting in my bed in my PJs replying to you; belief really doesn't come into it. It simply is, and no amount of rhetoric or "evidence" from you or any religious person will ever change that.

 

[Tully B.]

I think what Tully B said is more true than you realise. It's not a personal "perspective"; even with a concept of God and "faith" in science, belief isn't a choice that is "difficult" or not. You either do or you don't, and nothing you or anyone can do could, for example, change my non-belief in a god. You couldn't. I couldn't. I have absolute conviction that there is no god, just as I have absolute conviction that I'm sitting in my bed in my PJs replying to you; belief really doesn't come into it. It simply is, and no amount of rhetoric or "evidence" from you or any religious person will ever change that.

This. Except, my atheism is more a lack of belief than a strongheld conviction. Still, pretty much what I was trying to say, except it was expressed a little more articulately.

 

[Kwayera]

This. Except, my atheism is more a lack of belief than a strongheld conviction. Still, pretty much what I was trying to say, except it was expressed a little more articulately.

When I say absolute conviction, I mean an absolute lack of belief, such that I have absolute conviction/lack of belief that there is a ghost sitting next to me.

 

[Tully B.]

When I say absolute conviction, I mean an absolute lack of belief, such that I have absolute conviction/lack of belief that there is a ghost sitting next to me.

Oh... then that's what I have.

 

[BradCube]

I forgot who, but someone a few pages back said that they had made a decision to believe in God. Belief isn't a choice, is it? Using an absurd example, I can't choose to believe that I'm sitting on a chair right now, nor can I choose to disbelieve it. I believe it whether I like it or not. If someone asks me why I am an atheist, I can only look at them strangely and answer "because I do not believe in God? Do you not know what an atheist is?"

I would expect that most people would at least be able to have a crack at explaining why they believe what they do - whether this is belief in God or properly basic beliefs. I would be quite astounded to think when asking an atheist why they believe what they do, they just retort, "because I don't believe in God". Well yes, clearly, but why not?

Thinking about the issue of choice is tough especially in relation to core beliefs like this. In all honestly I think the word "choice" is more akin to acknowledgment of belief or disbelief in some matter. This acknowledgment can change over time (hence it is not forever fixed to what you're belief is now) but serves as a pseudo-choice as it is a willful admission of something. The only time I can see that choice is used in it's normal sense is with something like pascals wager where the evidence is balanced 50/50. The person then makes the decision to jump to belief in one direction or the other in order to test and affirm it's truth.

 

[BradCube]

But you are right in saying that belief is not by choice, but predestined by God. In the same way, your free will guarrentees the right of choice in salvation or eternal condemenation... but according to God's plans.

You sound like a Calvinist sir.

 

[Kwayera]

I would expect that most people would at least be able to have a crack at explaining why they believe what they do - whether this is belief in God or properly basic beliefs. I would be quite astounded to think when asking an atheist why they believe what they do, they just retort, "because I don't believe in God". Well yes, clearly, but why not?

There often isn't a "reason", just like you don't need a "reason" to disbelieve in fairies and Santa and Bertrand's celestial teapot. Even as a kid I didn't believe in God, and I didn't have the philosophical/metaphysical/scientific backing I do now. I just didn't believe in any god.

 

[Tully B.]

You sound like a Calvinist sir.

If I were Christian, I would be a Calvinist.

 

[Garygaz]

What created the infinite open space that surrounds our universe?

 

[Kwayera]

What created the infinite open space that surrounds our universe?

There isn't one, as far as we know. That's kind of the wrong way of thinking - that the universe is expanding into something. It isn't.

 

[BradCube]

There often isn't a "reason", just like you don't need a "reason" to disbelieve in fairies and Santa and Bertrand's celestial teapot. Even as a kid I didn't believe in God, and I didn't have the philosophical/metaphysical/scientific backing I do now. I just didn't believe in any god.

But the reason we don't believe in fairies or Santa is precisely because we have reasons not to believe in them. We see no evidence for these entities where we would expect to find evidence if they existed. I honestly don't even understand how God is placed in the same category for dismissal as fairies, unicorns etc. It's as if you mean to say that God's non-existence is as inconsequential as that of a fairies non-existence.