Frankenstein/BladeRunner (3 Viewers)

[Deathless]

that video was good,
thanks

Word of warning:

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On another note: has anyone noticed the peopel advertising the video are all one-posters and if you do call them - they have the lousiest service ever. If you ask them about a certain "policy" like "oh can I pay by this..." or "so there is the money back guarantee" or "[question about the content of their work]", they will reply a standard answer of "our site just went down sorry". Their site has been down for like... what a year? "The money back guarantee just finished sorry" - its been on your video and site for ages after its "been taken down", it hasnt even been mentioned or edited - that's false advertising.

 

[Chezzprinn]

You guys got anything for the techniques Shelley used for representing the questioning of reality?

 

[Old Spice Man]

does any1 have any notes on the cyclic structure of Frankenstein and how it affects the readers view?
anything would b helpful

The most important thing about the cyclic structure is the fact that it enables us access to the personal feelings of each character.

If you want to comment on the multiple perspectives of Frankenstein basically go with something along the lines of 'By creating a story, told from multiple points of view, Shelley encourages us to formulate a more objective standing on the issues expressed within her text"

Or specifically for the monster:
"By telling the story from the perspective of the monster, Shelley encourages us to empathize with it's miserable plight and identify with the romantic ideology, that science sucks balls blah blah blah.

 

[Old Spice Man]

I think the best thing to talk about in this module is the fact that both Frankenstein and Blade Runner have really negative standings in regards to science and what not. I like to argue that Shelley and Scott use their characters to explore the dangers of scientific pursuits untempered by moral responsibility. The disastrous events that ultimately result from Tyrell and Frankensteins creation of new life demonstrate this.

That's only half the deal about this module, the rest of it is about linking the ideas in the texts to contexts, for Mary Shelley that's really easy, you just have to crap on about how she was a romantic, and luigi galvani and whatever else.
Ridley Scott's got me stumped though, does anyone have any personal information about Scott that could reinforce the above point?

 

[ylhd]

I think the best thing to talk about in this module is the fact that both Frankenstein and Blade Runner have really negative standings in regards to science and what not. I like to argue that Shelley and Scott use their characters to explore the dangers of scientific pursuits untempered by moral responsibility. The disastrous events that ultimately result from Tyrell and Frankensteins creation of new life demonstrate this.

That's only half the deal about this module, the rest of it is about linking the ideas in the texts to contexts, for Mary Shelley that's really easy, you just have to crap on about how she was a romantic, and luigi galvani and whatever else.
Ridley Scott's got me stumped though, does anyone have any personal information about Scott that could reinforce the above point?

For Scott, aspects of his context include, Globalisation, Consumerism/commercialism, genetic engineering, cloning, etc... and relate them back to the main thematic concerns such as humanity, creator/creation relationships, etc.

 

[animerocker]

Frankenstein and Blade Runner Topic sentences and essay structure

Hello
I would like ppl to give me some topic sentences as well as a good generic module A essay structure be like???
Thank you

 

[Emsy123]

Re: Frankenstein/BR - circular dystopias?

How have the replicants in BR caused dystopia?

 

[Timske]

Re: Frankenstein/BR - circular dystopias?

How have the replicants in BR caused dystopia?

Replicants haven't cause the dystopia, its more to do with humans. In the beginning of Blade Runner there is no natural environment, all you can see is the dominate artificiality of light as a result of capitalism and consumerism leading to over-development and all this links to the idea of unchecked scientific progression. The Replicants represents humans incapacity to foresee the consequences of scientific knowledge. Tyrell is a figure who represents power and wealth. His myopic lens symbolizes his inability to see human morals and the owl is also symbolic of humans investment in false wisdom.

Shelley's concerns are presented in Frankenstein but despite her warnings the desire for knowledge is still continuing and BR can be seen as the result of Shelley's concern.

 

[Kingportable]

Re: Frankenstein/BR - circular dystopias?

No, you have the time line wrong....

First Enlightenment
Then Romantics
And parallel to this is the "Industrial Revolution"
In which if you did your context research is about Urbanisation of cities (cities actually became more industrial, there were cities but they were more like villages until then). Now cities became more of the stereotypical hell holes that we know today. They are over crowded, expensive and full of poverty. The devaluation of the individual and loss of culture, classic lifestyle (for the english (Shelley) was farming lifestyle) in which Romantics rallied against. INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION is part THE ENLIGHTENMENT they coincide.

Then something that is completely missing here and this why i think my teacher is really great, is "POST-INDUSTRIALISM" in which Ridley Scott and our society remain today. Post-Industrialism is the period after The Industrial Revolution, it's ticked of the box, it already happened. Industrialism in Shelly's time is the baby and Scott's is the man, they're are different periods. There is also the branch of Economic rationalism and Reaganism and even Thatcherism than you can go to.

 

[daniellesharp26]

Re: Frankenstein and Blade Runner Topic sentences and essay structure

What are your values though?

 

[vanillafantail]

Help! Frankenstein/Blade Runner Comparison Essay

I am currently preparing for an assessment, an essay, and I am almost completely stumped by the question we have been set:

To what extent has your comparative study of Frankenstein and Blade Runner developed your understanding of the personal struggles experienced by individuals?

Does anyone have any suggestions for what sort of arguments I could pose? Anything would be much appreciated!

 

[munitz]

Re: Help! Frankenstein/Blade Runner Comparison Essay

1)well one thought would be that of the monster posed as 'the other' his rejection from society despite his efforts(seen in the dalacy scene)
2) victors internal struggle dealing with the monster he has created and him indirectly causing the death of his loved ones and family and living with that (which he cant in the end and dies)
3) blade runner - the struggle of the replicants in the search for more life. being hunted by roy despite no wrongdoing etc
and i guess just extrapolate on those scenes and bring in your own thought

 

[mirakon]

Re: Help! Frankenstein/Blade Runner Comparison Essay

Considering you have to consider the "comparative study" of the texts, i'd probably focus on similarities/differences between the struggles of individuals in frank (frank himself and the monster) and br (deckard and the replicants) and show how these similarities and differences are reflective or independent of a change in context

 

[teeah]

Blade Runner + Frankenstein Intro & Conclusion

Hi guys,
just wondering if anyone could give me some feedback on these 2 paragraphs (intro + conclusion respectively) - they're quite general as I'm aiming to create something that'd be fairly easy to reproduce in an essay with just a bit of tweaking to make it work with the stimulus. Not really into essay memorising here, but I figure it'll make things easier if I have a solid intro + conclusion to start with - that way I can focus on my analysis.

Many thanks in advance!

MODULE: Texts In Time - TEXTS: Frankenstein - Mary Shelley, Blade Runner - Ridley Scott

INTRO:
Values are the guidelines in accordance with which individualsaspire to conduct their daily lives. They constitute the norms and expectationsof society, reflecting the ideals held by the majority. Therefore differentcontexts, as shaped by their own distinctive political, social, historical and culturalinfluences, present different values as their moral guides. Despite this,values themselves are often standardized in terms of general expectationswhilst also representing the uniquely distinguishing aspects of their respectivecontexts. This concept of different contexts reflecting changing values andperspectives is demonstrated in Mary Shelley’s gothic Romantic Frankenstein andRidley Scott’s futuristic dystopian world as depicted in Blade Runner.Both, text and film, demonstrate the treatment of similar content in different ways,using a number of language features and forms and techniques relevant tointended audiences, withstanding the tests of time to maintain their relevance,even today.

CONCLUSION:
As is evident in the analysis shown above, the value of nature as communicated by its restorative presence and destructive absence; disturbances to natural processes as resulted by the negative consequences of man playing God and the shirking of parental responsibilities; and the qualities which identify individuals as human, along with the ability to pass such judgements, is reflected in both text and film. Mary Shelley’s gothic Romantic Frankenstein and Ridley Scott’s futuristic depiction of a dystopian society in Blade Runner both demonstrate the relationship between changing context on changing attitudes and values. They use a comparison of values and ideas to show the treatment of similar content in different contexts, shaped by varying social, cultural and historical influences. These changes in values reflecting changed contexts enable audiences to gain a heightened understanding of the significance of both these timeless works.


*Context work included in analysis paragraphs, hence exclusion of actual detail in intro + conclusion
**Will be made relevant to stimulus/essay question, pretty vague right now.

 

[teeah]

Re: Blade Runner + Frankenstein Intro & Conclusion

whoa, sorry its so long lol

 

[oyuck]

Re: Blade Runner + Frankenstein Intro & Conclusion

Hi guys,
just wondering if anyone could give me some feedback on these 2 paragraphs (intro + conclusion respectively) - they're quite general as I'm aiming to create something that'd be fairly easy to reproduce in an essay with just a bit of tweaking to make it work with the stimulus. Not really into essay memorising here, but I figure it'll make things easier if I have a solid intro + conclusion to start with - that way I can focus on my analysis.

Many thanks in advance!

MODULE: Texts In Time - TEXTS: Frankenstein - Mary Shelley, Blade Runner - Ridley Scott

INTRO:
Values are the guidelines in accordance with which individualsaspire to conduct their daily lives. They constitute the norms and expectationsof society, reflecting the ideals held by the majority. Therefore differentcontexts, as shaped by their own distinctive political, social, historical and culturalinfluences, present different values as their moral guides. Despite this,values themselves are often standardized in terms of general expectationswhilst also representing the uniquely distinguishing aspects of their respectivecontexts. This concept of different contexts reflecting changing values andperspectives is demonstrated in Mary Shelley’s gothic Romantic Frankenstein andRidley Scott’s futuristic dystopian world as depicted in Blade Runner.Both, text and film, demonstrate the treatment of similar content in different ways,using a number of language features and forms and techniques relevant tointended audiences, withstanding the tests of time to maintain their relevance,even today.

The first three lines are all very nice about values, but unless the question is explicitly asking 'What are values' (which is HIGHLY unlikely - you are more likely required to integrate an understanding of values in your discussion), then they are what we call 'buffer' sentences---they dilute your answer and are undesirable. Your first sentence should directly answer your question; eg. "How has your study of Frankenstein/BladeRunner enriched your understanding of values?" A nice opening might be "The study of Shelley's 1818 novel Frankenstein and Scott's 1982 film Blade Runner has led me to a higher understanding of blah blah blah.......The differing contexts enabled me to .......... The similar messages ........"

etc...

Always remember to include the years of your texts to contextualise your argument. Also include something about the period; what era it was.

CONCLUSION:
As is evident in the analysis shown above, the value of nature as communicated by its restorative presence and destructive absence; disturbances to natural processes as resulted by the negative consequences of man playing God and the shirking of parental responsibilities; and the qualities which identify individuals as human, along with the ability to pass such judgements, is reflected in both text and film. Mary Shelley’s gothic Romantic Frankenstein and Ridley Scott’s futuristic depiction of a dystopian society in Blade Runner both demonstrate the relationship between changing context on changing attitudes and values. They use a comparison of values and ideas to show the treatment of similar content in different contexts, shaped by varying social, cultural and historical influences. These changes in values reflecting changed contexts enable audiences to gain a heightened understanding of the significance of both these timeless works.

The conclusion might be a bit long, otherwise it's good.

 

[oyuck]

Re: Blade Runner + Frankenstein Intro & Conclusion

Should this be in the NSW HSC forum instead???

 

[Aerath]

Re: Blade Runner + Frankenstein Intro & Conclusion

Should this be in the NSW HSC forum instead???

I have moved it to the HSC forums.

 

[teeah]

Re: Blade Runner + Frankenstein Intro & Conclusion

lol, sorry guys, clearly, im a newbie to posting
@oyuck - that makes sense, i have a tendency to talk about useless things to kill space lol
+ thanks for the contextualising tip, its a really good thing to include!
thanks so much for your help!

 

[abbeydabby94]

Frankenstein and Blade runner(Please read and mark? any comments too)

Question:In what ways does a comparative study accentuate the distinctive contexts of Frankenstein andBlade Runner?

Obsessive, unchecked use of power and the ability to playgod are fundamental features within both ‘Frankenstein’ (1818) by Mary Shellyand ‘Blade Runner’ (1982) by Ridley Scott. A comparative study of the two texts shows theemphasis of the two distinctive contexts and how they are reflected to show thesignificance of similarities in the texts.
Shelly in a time of great changes in technology and ideasuses this context to compose her novel. Such influences in her time such as theindustrial revolution, which changed society at the time by a sudden boom intechnology which also succeeded in taking peoples jobs as well as advances insociety, are shown throughout the text. The ideas of the pride of man and mantrying to play are seen in the text because of this context. Shelly was concernedabout these ideas because of what was occurring at the time. Other changes atthe time, such as developments in science and the enlightenment, where men suchas Gibbon were writing texts such as ‘The fall and rise of the Roman Empire’ wherefalls of great societies were blamed upon religion and monarchs and also a timeof revolutions are seen within the text.
This context is reflected through Victor. Victor is shown asthe characterisation of the men from the industrial revolution, whom feel likethey must take major steps forward in technology and the pride of the men at thetime whom felt as though they could do nothing wrong. However most importantly heis shown as the characterisation of the men whom were developing science at thetime of Shelly. This characterisation shows Shelly’s fears of what would happenif men continued to play god and how this would affect society in the future andalso the fear she had for her husband whom she believed was trying to hard toplay god and the impacts this had upon their lives. Thus showing how thecontext of the time of Shelly greatly influenced how she wrote, her text beinga warning for the future as it betrayed what she was afraid of occurring becauseof what was occurring during her time.
A comparative study between ‘Frankenstein’ and ‘Blade Runner’highlights the similarities between the two texts and also how the context ofthe two influenced how and what they presented within their texts.
‘Blade Runner’ in comparison to ‘Frankenstein’ is written ina different context, a time of computer age and cloning was becoming a reality,the great steps forward in science, which Shelly was concerned about are almosta reality and man now has the ability to play god. Also the rise of the Asian economyand the interest of global warming are important at the time of Scott’s movie.
This context is reflected throughout the text with the useof characters and images.
Tyrell represents the pride of the man at the time and howthey stopped at nothing to continue forward with their science which was givingthem powers to do almost whatever they pleased. By calling Roy “Quite a prize.” It shows Tyrell’s pride and how that hiscreation is nothing more than a prize too him, it shows his lack of humanitywhich was concern at the time. The images of dark and dirty streets and a worldwhere people are moving to off world colonies because they have destroyed theirown world, shows the fear of global warming and the impacts that humans were havingof the planet and by placing the setting a L.A a place which everyone wouldknow and also a place of our time, and by showing how it is now almost completelyAsian shows the fear of the rise of the Asian economy.
However when comparing the two texts one can see the distinctivecontexts and how these contexts also created similarities within the texts.
Both texts are concerned with the power of man to play god andboth show this through characterisation of a ‘great creator’ ‘Frankenstein’with Victor, a man who goes beyond the bounds of science at the time, a ‘modernPrometheus’ and Tyrell in ‘Blade Runner’ a man who has taken over society withhis ability to create and play the role of god, creating a perfect human “Morehuman than human.” This shows a similar fear which can only be seen with acomparative study of the two contexts. At both times in history society wasconcerned the ability of man within science and what they could do and both textsshow this with the technique of characterisation.
The fears of the industrial revolution in “Frankenstein” andthe lack of rights of the workers are shown through the monsters, whose wantsof rights are mirrored to that of the workers.
The little people shown as scurrying and dirty within ‘BladeRunner’ show not only the fear of the computer age taking over but also the lackof rights of people, also shown through the lack of rights of the replicants. Yet again showing how the study of the twotexts accentuates the similarities and the contexts.
Thus in conclusion, a comparative study of the two textsshows the reader the emphasis of the contexts and the influences that they haveupon the texts and show that even though they were written in two different contextssimilar ideas still arose within both texts from this.
Only a comparative study of the two texts concerning thecontext could show how similar the texts are and how the context is used in suchan extent to create a text that is not only a story but also a warning to whatearth might or will become.