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Hillary Clinton OR Barack Obama? (1 Viewer)

Which one would you choose?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 189 76.2%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 59 23.8%

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Iron

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THe joint ticket with Obama as VP would be great. But other way works, due to the whole assassination business.
Damned unfortunate though.

LBJ to his JFK 08!
 

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Sure it's funny, but it actually pokes fun at the shallowness of Obama's pitch. All characters like him need for their ruination is time.

My guess is that it will be Howard v Latham 04. He'll make another dumb-ass announcement about bombing Pakistan or, more likely, some cock-up on how to deal with the recession. People will realise that his just an arrogant one term senator who couldnt possibly deal with pressing global economic, security and climate threats with any warranted confidence.

I dont care what the pundits say, he WOULD never be there if it weren't for his colour. Hillary is where she is DESPITE the phenomonal barriers against smart, capable women in American politics/society

Nobama.
 
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Iron said:
Sure it's funny, but it actually pokes fun at the shallowness of Obama's pitch. All characters like him need for their ruination is time.

My guess is that it will be Howard v Latham 04. He'll make another dumb-ass announcement about bombing Pakistan or, more likely, some cock-up on how to deal with the recession. People will realise that his just an arrogant one term senator who couldnt possibly deal with pressing global economic, security and climate threats with any warranted confidence.

I dont care what the pundits say, he WOULD never be there if it weren't for his colour. Hillary is where she is DESPITE the phenomonal barriers against smart, capable women in American politics/society

Nobama.

Wasn't the original problem with America is that they are so racist, and color was one of the blocks that prevented people like Obama to climb that high?
 

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SashatheMan said:
Wasn't the original problem with America is that they are so racist, and color was one of the blocks that prevented people like Obama to climb that high?
Absolutely.
It's no issue anymore. African-Americans have bought into the American dream. People positively WANT a black president for the symbolism of how much progress has been made. The bar gets lowered.

I would argue that attitudes towards women in high office have not progressed nearly as far. I could give a ream of examples about the comparative hell Hillary has endured. The bar for her has undoubtledy been shitloads higher. Maybe some believe that a woman projects weakness, or, if she projects strength, then she's not really a woman. But I think that the prevailing sentiment is that the whitehouse is no place for a lady.

The presidency should not be an office obtained on symbolism, whether that means a higher standard for some, or lower for others. Merit should always be supreme.
Hillary has merit.
 

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Iron said:
I would argue that attitudes towards women in high office have not progressed nearly as far.
Almost certainly true - Obama has already won Mississippi (a racist sothern state isn't it?) over Hillary

we can even put our racism aside when it comes to keeping women in the kitchen
 

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Iron said:
Absolutely.
It's no issue anymore. African-Americans have bought into the American dream. People positively WANT a black president for the symbolism of how much progress has been made. The bar gets lowered.

I would argue that attitudes towards women in high office have not progressed nearly as far. I could give a ream of examples about the comparative hell Hillary has endured. The bar for her has undoubtledy been shitloads higher. Maybe some believe that a woman projects weakness, or, if she projects strength, then she's not really a woman. But I think that the prevailing sentiment is that the whitehouse is no place for a lady.

The presidency should not be an office obtained on symbolism, whether that means a higher standard for some, or lower for others. Merit should always be supreme.
Hillary has merit.
Blech. I'd be ashamed to have Hillary as the first female President.

If Hillary gets the Dem nomination I'm seriously going to consider voting for McCain.

Or you know, throw it away on Nader.
 

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Obama's recent speech 'A More Perfect Union' has been touted as one of the greatest speeches of this generation.
 

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Obama.Is.Brilliant.

too bad the Americans can't see that. Clinton will probably win.
 

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How I think it will play out:

- Obama wins the Democratic nomination.

- McCain and the Republicans pull the race card and McCain wins presidency.

- McCain inherits and takes blame for an atrocious economy. More of the same economic (something, he admits, has no inherent understanding of), social and foreign policy for the next 4 years.

- Americans come to their senses and vote Hillary in in 2012.
 

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Iron said:
Sure it's funny, but it actually pokes fun at the shallowness of Obama's pitch. All characters like him need for their ruination is time.

My guess is that it will be Howard v Latham 04. He'll make another dumb-ass announcement about bombing Pakistan or, more likely, some cock-up on how to deal with the recession. People will realise that his just an arrogant one term senator who couldnt possibly deal with pressing global economic, security and climate threats with any warranted confidence.

I dont care what the pundits say, he WOULD never be there if it weren't for his colour. Hillary is where she is DESPITE the phenomonal barriers against smart, capable women in American politics/society

Nobama.
He did graduate from Harvard Law School, practiced and lectured law though. I reckon those alone are sufficient qualifications.
 
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