Homosexuality in Australia (3 Viewers)

[katie tully]

Oh good! The left-wing intelligensia will settle this!

Silence.

I will only provide one blatantly leftist article. Child Psychiatry and Human Development isn't leftist.



EDIT: Netherlands, ohlol.

 

[katie tully]

There is not a great deal of research regarding children who have lesbian mothers or gay fathers. In the United Kingdom, Golombok and Tasker (1997) surveyed 39 children from lesbian single-mother families and the same number from heterosexual single-mother families. After extensive psychological, intelligence, social and personality testing, it was found that no significant difference existed between the psychosocial status of the children of lesbian mothers and those of heterosexual mothers.

American research by Patterson, Chan and Raboy (1998) compared the psychological adjustment of children from 55 lesbian-headed families and 25 families headed by heterosexual parents. All children were conceived by donor insemination. The results showed no significant differences between children of lesbian mothers and children of heterosexual parents. Thus, “the idea that only heterosexual parents can raise healthy children is certainly not supported by the present findings”

A study done by some group I don't know I'll give you the link, found the issues surrounding children of homosexuals to be;

- feeling of isolation or being different. More than onethird (36 per cent) of lesbian and gay parents of primary school children and more than two-thirds (67 per cent)
of parents with children in secondary school described their children as having felt isolated or different.

- Almost one-third (32 per cent) of gay and lesbian parents with children in primary school and over one-third (39 per cent) of parents with children in secondary
school described the omission of issues concerning gays and lesbians from school curricula as something their children had experienced.

- http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/fm2001/fm59/vr.pdf
It's a good read.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_/ai_16595909

And this article I'm trying to access but Springer is being shit.
It's called The children of homosexual and heterosexual single mothers by the Journal Child Psychiatry and Human Development, Vol 23 # 4 June 1993

Basically anything that is independent of the Church that I have found, suggests that there are no adverse psychological effects from being brought up by homosexual parents. Isolation is one of the key points raised, but I don't see this as being a significant reason to stop homosexuals from having children, especially since isolation is not a phenomena unique to children of homosexuals.

 

[katie tully]

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyGayAdopt.php

I think the evidence is pretty slim going both ways. Do a research paper on it when you graduate, babe, and make it a good, objective one not biasing the data.

Fucking lol are you serious
OrthodoxyToday.com?

Homosexual Promiscuity

Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime, a lifestyle that is difficult for even "committed" homosexuals to break free of and which is not conducive to a healthy and wholesome atmosphere for the raising of children.

A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with five hundred or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.29

In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101--500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners.30

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners.31

In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."32

Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples

Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.

In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison report that in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years: Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.33 Most understood sexual relations outside the relationship to be the norm, and viewed adopting monogamous standards as an act of oppression.

In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.34

In their Journal of Sex Research study of the sexual practices of older homosexual men, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that only 2.7 percent of older homosexuals had only one sexual partner in their lifetime.35

Comparison of Homosexual 'Couples' and Heterosexual Spouses

Lest anyone suffer the illusion that any equivalency between the sexual practices of homosexual relationships and traditional marriage exists, the statistics regarding sexual fidelity within marriage are revealing: In Sex in America, called by the New York Times "the most important study of American sexual behavior since the Kinsey reports," Robert T. Michael et al. report that 90 percent of wives and 75 percent of husbands claim never to have had extramarital sex.36

A nationally representative survey of 884 men and 1,288 women published in Journal of Sex Research found that 77 percent of married men and 88 percent of married women had remained faithful to their marriage vows.37

In The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States, E. O. Laumann et al. conducted a national survey that found that 75 percent of husbands and 85 percent of wives never had sexual relations outside of marriage.38

A telephone survey conducted for Parade magazine of 1,049 adults selected to represent the demographic characteristics of the United States found that 81 percent of married men and 85 percent of married women reported that they had never violated their marriage vows.39

While the rate of fidelity within marriage cited by these studies remains far from ideal, there is a magnum order of difference between the negligible lifetime fidelity rate cited for homosexuals and the 75 to 90 percent cited for married couples. This indicates that even "committed" homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and commitment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage.

Unhealthy Aspects of 'Monogamous' Homosexual Relationships

Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed "monogamous" do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.

The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse with greater frequency than did those without a steady partner.40 Anal intercourse has been linked with a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.

The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of AIDS concurred, finding that most "unsafe" sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.41

Of paramount concern are the effects of such a lifestyle upon children. Brad Hayton writes: Homosexuals . . . model a poor view of marriage to children. They are taught by example and belief that marital relationships are transitory and mostly sexual in nature. Sexual relationships are primarily for pleasure rather than procreation. And they are taught that monogamy in a marriage is not the norm [and] should be discouraged if one wants a good 'marital' relationship.42

Violence in Lesbian and Homosexual Relationships

A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical abuse.43

In a survey of 1,099 lesbians, the Journal of Social Service Research found that "slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse."44

In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence, D. Island and P. Letellier postulate that "the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population."45

Rate of Intimate Partner Violence within Marriage

A little-reported fact is that homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are traditional married households: The Bureau of Justice Statistics (U.S. Department of Justice) reports that married women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of violence compared with women in other types of relationships.46

A report by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health concurred: It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating relationships.47

High Incidence of Mental Health Problems among Homosexuals and Lesbians

A national survey of lesbians published in the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology found that 75 percent of the nearly two-thousand respondents had pursued psychological counseling of some kind, many for treatment of long-term depression or sadness: Among the sample as a whole, there was a distressingly high prevalence of life events and behaviors related to mental health problems. Thirty-seven percent had been physically abused and 32 percent had been raped or sexually attacked. Nineteen percent had been involved in incestuous relationships while growing up. Almost one-third used tobacco on a daily basis and about 30 percent drank alcohol more than once a week; 6 percent drank daily. One in five smoked marijuana more than once a month. Twenty-one percent of the sample had thoughts about suicide sometimes or often and 18 percent had actually tried to kill themselves...More than half had felt too nervous to accomplish ordinary activities at some time during the past year and over one-third had been depressed.48

Substance Abuse among Lesbians

A study published in Nursing Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors: Like most problem drinkers, 32 (91 percent) of the participants had abused other drugs as well as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34 percent), codependency (29 percent), sex (11 percent), and money (6 percent). Forty-six percent had been heavy drinkers with frequent drunkenness.49

Greater Risk for Suicide

A study of twins that examined the relationship between homosexuality and suicide, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, found that homosexuals with same-sex partners were at greater risk for overall mental health problems, and were 6.5 times more likely than their twins to have attempted suicide. The higher rate was not attributable to mental health or substance abuse disorders.50

Another study published simultaneously in Archives of General Psychiatry followed 1007 individuals from birth. Those classified as gay, lesbian, or bisexual were significantly more likely to have had mental health problems. Significantly, in his comments in the same issue of the journal, D. Bailey cautioned against various speculative explanations of the results, such as the view that "widespread prejudice against homosexual people causes them to be unhappy or worse, mentally ill."51

Reduced Life Span

Another factor contributing to the instability of male homosexual households, which raises the possibility of major disruption for children raised in such households, is the significantly reduced life expectancy of male homosexuals. A study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the mortality rates of homosexuals concluded:

In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age twenty for gay and bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixty-fifth birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.52

Concern about children placed in homosexual households who are orphaned because of the destructive homosexual lifestyle is well founded. In 1990, Wayne Tardiff and his partner, Allan Yoder, were the first homosexuals permitted to become adoptive parents in the state of New Jersey. Tardiff died in 1992 at age forty-four; Yoder died a few months later, leaving an orphaned five-year-old.53

Sexual Identity Confusion

The claim that homosexual households do not "recruit" children into the homosexual lifestyle is refuted by the growing evidence that children raised in such households are more likely to engage in sexual experimentation and in homosexual behavior.

Studies indicate that 0.3 percent of adult females report having practiced homosexual behavior in the past year, 0.4 percent have practiced homosexual behavior in the last five years, and 3 percent have ever practiced homosexual behavior in their lifetime.54 A study in Developmental Psychology found that 12 percent of the children of lesbians became active lesbians themselves, a rate which is at least four times the base rate of lesbianism in the adult female population.55

Numerous studies indicate that while nearly 5 percent of males report having had a homosexual experience sometime in their lives, the number of exclusive homosexuals is considerably less: Between 1 and 2 percent of males report exclusive homosexual behavior over a several-year period.56 However, J. M. Bailey et al. found that 9 percent of the adult sons of homosexual fathers were homosexual in their adult sexual behavior: "The rate of homosexuality in the sons (9 percent) is several times higher than that suggested by the population-based surveys and is consistent with a degree of father-to-son transmission."57

Even though they attempted to argue otherwise, Golombok and Tasker's study revealed in its results section a clear connection between being raised in a lesbian family and homosexuality: "With respect to actual involvement in same-gender sexual relationships, there was a significant difference between groups...None of the children from heterosexual families had experienced a lesbian or gay relationship." By contrast, five (29 percent) of the seventeen daughters and one (13 percent) of the eight sons in homosexual families reported having at least one same-sex relationship.58

These findings have most recently been confirmed in a study appearing in the American Sociological Review. Authors Judith Stacey and Timothy J. Biblarz alluded to the "political incorrectness" of their finding of higher rates of homosexuality among children raised in homosexual households: "We recognize the political dangers of pointing out that recent studies indicate that a higher proportion of children of lesbigay parents are themselves apt to engage in homosexual activity."

Stacy and Biblarz also reported "some fascinating findings on the number of sexual partners children report," that: The adolescent and young adult girls raised by lesbian mothers appear to have been more sexually adventurous and less chaste. . . . In other words, once again, children (especially girls) raised by lesbians appear to depart from traditional gender-based norms, while children raised by heterosexual mothers appear to conform to them.59

Incest in Homosexual Parent Families

A study in Adolescence found: A disproportionate percentage--29 percent--of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent...Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.60

I literally pissed my pants. Not once did he criticise the articles he provided to the same level as the ones promoting homosexual families. What a blatantly flawed and shithouse example.

 

[supercalamari]

Oh good! The left-wing intelligensia will settle this!

And the right-wing intelligensia really has that much more to offer? Seriously? No. Both sides of the argument are flawed to a certain extent, but all these arguments and legal fights gay people are being forced into in order to obtain their civil rights might not have needed to occur if the rights of every person were considered more important then the mythological views of a certain group.

 

[supercalamari]

Fucking lol are you serious
OrthodoxyToday.com?



I literally pissed my pants. Not once did he criticise the articles he provided to the same level as the ones promoting homosexual families. What a blatantly flawed and shithouse example.

I don't like the way that the article tells us all the flaws of gay parents and very little about straight nuclear families who also abuse their children on a daily basis.

 

[katie tully]

Where does it say in the Bible, that supporting homosexual rights is a siiiiiin?

It doesssssssn't, so no more of these Biblical quotes or I'ma go NUCLEEEEEEEAR

 

[katie tully]

I don't like the way that the article tells us all the flaws of gay parents and very little about straight nuclear families who also abuse their children on a daily basis.

I don't like that article for the blatant God bothering propaganda that it is.

Simple.

I should have known better than to even entertain the thought of reading something from Orthodoxydickheads.org

 

[Iron]

Is there something obviously wrong with the statistics he cites?

 

[katie tully]

Is there something obviously wrong with the statistics he cites?

Who knows? What's wrong is that he has ripped apart the studies concerning homosexual parents, but has not critically analysed his own references.

He produces statistics like this;

Lest anyone suffer the illusion that any equivalency between the sexual practices of homosexual relationships and traditional marriage exists, the statistics regarding sexual fidelity within marriage are revealing: In Sex in America, called by the New York Times "the most important study of American sexual behavior since the Kinsey reports," Robert T. Michael et al. report that 90 percent of wives and 75 percent of husbands claim never to have had extramarital sex.36

A nationally representative survey of 884 men and 1,288 women published in Journal of Sex Research found that 77 percent of married men and 88 percent of married women had remained faithful to their marriage vows.37

In The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States, E. O. Laumann et al. conducted a national survey that found that 75 percent of husbands and 85 percent of wives never had sexual relations outside of marriage.38

And things like;

This indicates that even "committed" homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and commitment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage.

But doesn't mention the 50% divorce rate or any other studies produced on the substance abuse, violence and infidelity rates within heterosexual partnerships, as though this phenomena is unique to homosexuals.

 

[Iron]

Why should he? I thought his point was that these problems are much worse with gay couples than with married heterosexual couples. Checks out wif me?

 

[katie tully]

Why should he? I thought his point was that these problems are much worse with gay couples than with married heterosexual couples. Checks out wif me?

Because if you're going to put forward a balanced review of literature, you're going to say 'these studies show x, however a limitation of the study was y'

not

LOLZFAGS R GOING TO HELL YR STUDIES DIDNT PROVE ANYTHING

And like I said Iron, he missed several key points. He addressed infidelity in homosexual relationships, and 'proved' that 70% of all heterosexuals remain faithful, but didn't provide statistics to show that abuse, drug use, incest and other issues are not unique to homosexuals. He also didn't touch on the divorce rate, which to me indicates there are some key failures within the heterosexual system.

 

[Iron]

Yeah, but even with those criticisms, I still think that his points probably hold weight. Things like the divorce rate almost go without saying, and are more appropriately linked to other social factors rather than how men and women relate to eachother.
Of course infidelity, domestic violence etc occur in hetero couples, but all the research i've seen in family law still indicates that these nasty things are higher in homosexual couples. That's not to exactly say that they're fucked human beings - I think a more appropriate response is how to address it (gay marriage etc, I guess)

 

[katie tully]

Yeah, but even with those criticisms, I still think that his points probably hold weight. Things like the divorce rate almost go without saying, and are more appropriately linked to other social factors rather than how men and women relate to eachother.
Of course infidelity, domestic violence etc occur in hetero couples, but all the research i've seen in family law still indicates that these nasty things are higher in homosexual couples. That's not to exactly say that they're fucked human beings - I think a more appropriate response is how to address it (gay marriage etc, I guess)

I took offence to the way he painted the statistics. He went out of his way to rid to shreds studies that conflicted with his, and went on to paint a rosey picture of heterosexual couples, when we all know this is not the case.

I am looking more for studies that focus on the psychological aspects of being raised by homosexuals. Withholding the social ascepts (drug use, infidelity, etc), did his article show anything about whether there were children in the homes of drug addict, suicide parents? If there are no children being brought into these homes, why should it matter if some homosexuals have lax lifestyle attitudes?

Unless he is trying to infer that homosexuals shouldn't be given the right based on 'predicting' whether they will succumb to these vices is ridiculous, because then all heterosexual couples should be screened before having kids to ensure the same.

 

[Iron]

The state has a big interest in having people partner for long-term/life. It alleviates all sorts of pressures to provide various welfare services. Also, there is, you know, some concern over a citizen's quality of life etc

 

[katie tully]

The state has a big interest in having people partner for long-term/life. It alleviates all sorts of pressures to provide various welfare services. Also, there is, you know, some concern over a citizen's quality of life etc

An argument that can be countered by todays lax attitudes towards marriage and de facto relationships, dear Iron.

You cannot argue for stability and life long partnering as a basis for allowing homosexuals to marry and have children, when the heterosexual counterparts can't do it properly either.

 

[Iron]

Yes you can, because marriage allows hetero's to do it so much better.
Not that i'm arguing for gay marriage

 

[katie tully]

Yes you can, because marriage allows hetero's to do it so much better.
Not that i'm arguing for gay marriage

No.. no it doesn't?

 

[Iron]

Isnt that what we're talking about? That nasty stats are higher for the gays? Even though theyre not stellar for heteros, theyre much better

 

[katie tully]

Isnt that what we're talking about? That nasty stats are higher for the gays? Even though theyre not stellar for heteros, theyre much better

If we're going to argue statistics, of course the odds are higher for heteros, because there are more of them.??KHF98a

 

[Iron]

Confound it. Stranded in your nest of words.
At any rate, that's still valid. Homo populations are unlikely to be >10%, so they'll always face tensions with the majority. That's just built in to the problem - if that makes them go feral, then we cant just be nice and move towards a 50-50 society of straight and gay (or, as I fear, a bisexual society with no gender norms)