Gosford said:
People always have a Choice
u start saying that people dont have a choice, they r born gay
and stuff like that
where does it stop
people are born murderers (a lot of support for that in the US)
waht about this one
people are born terrosist its no their fault tjhey like to blow people up
u always have temptation, but you can ignore it
The difference with gays is that they're not hurting anyone, with the other examples I think we have to (for the overall good of society) construct a notion of personal responsibility.
To entabee
Yes SEX is for fun, and in western society with contraceptives I would sya easily 90% + is for enjoyment, not to have children
i think only us and dolphins are only creatures that have sex for fun
Then why is it homosexuals can't have sex for fun?
but primary purpose, universal perspective is reproduction
What do you mean primary purpose? Who decided that? I mean you are correct that to mindless genes all that matters is to reproduce themselves, but we're far beyond that.
but alas, natural selection and evolution at least show that homosexuality is unnatural
Not really because as I've explained you could still have a species which reproduces perfectly fine as long as there is rare heterosexual sex for the purpose of creating a child.
Also, by your remarks heterosexual sex not for purposes of procreation is equally 'unnatural' and if such a quality leads homosexuality to being unfavourable, you must have equal dislike of such heterosexual sex.
otherwise surely if it was ok to go with guys, girls watever, then maybe we would asexually reproduce
otherwise surely if it wasn't 'ok' to go with the same sex it wouldn't have been made just as pleasurable (for some) to have a same-sex relationship.
Once again, for homosexuality to be viable in the continuation of the species you don't need asexual reproduction or anything.. you just need them to be willing to have sex (on rare occasion, we have sex many times in our lifetime probably only 0.1% of which will be to create a child) with someone of the opposite sex for procreation purposes.
or have other unique adaptions like some african frog, that changes its sex, if need be. (thus able to have sex with both sexes)
There's no need.
Is homsoexuality supported by our physiology? NO
Yes it is, you see people can have homosexual sex and deride pleasure from it...
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With modern technology, they wouldnt need to have sex
Probably, but why wouldn't they just do so on occasion? I mean if they really dislike the opposite sex entirely they could get their same sex partner to get them close to orgasm and then just finish themselves off with the girl.
what i am saying is that it is unnatural, i am providing a reason against homosexuality
But, as I've pointed out, there's a lot of things which aren't "natural" by the definition you seem to be using... including heterosexual sex for fun. Are you equally opposed to straight couples having sex for fun? If not then I can't understand why you continue to blow the 'unnatural' horn :/
So essentially no, you could not have "an entire planet full of homosexuals/lesbians whom merely put aside their sexuality for some hetero sex in order to create children every now and then"
Why couldn't you?
What about them? They're not science... they're the start of a formal attempt to make a scientific theory, that's about it.
r u suggesting that science has to be proven
It has to be accepted through peer review, repeated etc... but all I'm really suggesting is that science is point-of-view neutral, though it is a great tool for those with a POV to use to further their argument.
Look at all the scientists through time, all with points of views
Yes.
so it is possible to have a scientific point of view
make sense?
Science has no point of view, it is possible to have a point of view which you believe is backed up by science, that's it.
Our physiology evolved in a way that isn't perfectly suited for a lot of things we do. You'll need to explain why it is that we should only do things which our physiology (mostly evolved through natural selection in an environment completely disconnected from our current world) is most suited to.