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as many of you know, it’s the beginning of year 12. i’m getting my prelim marks back, and except for english and maths, i’m not passing anything. well since i did alright on my assignments i didn’t *fail* overall, but i’m still not fairing well.

I go to a really low ranking school, it’s extremely rare that someone gets a band 6. however, because i go to such a school, i’m eligible to a lot of university entry schemes for low income students who go to bad schools.

I joined this school in year 10, and i hated it on my first day, and i still hate it today. i really wanted to change to online school, but my parents were against the idea. i have absolutely no friends in this school, and i’ve got bad grades. i’m thinking of pivoting and taking some apprenticeship in TAFE and figuring it out from there.

My parents aren’t going to pay for tutoring. i take advanced english, standard math, chemistry (more like cheMYSTERY because i have no idea what’s going on), biology, HMS and modern history.

Because i take such hard subjects, i get scaled up (well at least i think that’s how that works), and because i go to a bad school i get extra bonus points (i’m pretty sure). so maybe i should just stick it out, try my best and just see what happens. i can probably bullshit my way into university because diversity or something. If i were to go to university, i would major in genetics and genomics, as that really interests me.

i didn’t drop out after year 10 because i really do love learning. I spent my time last year looking at the GCSE course for biology and chemistry, not because someone told me to, but because i love science, and the stupid booklets that a 10 year old could understand weren’t meeting my needs. I took elective history with mandatory stage 5 history which meant i had history every single day except Wednesday when my teacher didn’t work, and not once did i complain because i loved history. (i’m more of an ancient history person though)

I really thought i would do well in year 11. i put all my effort into it, it’s not like i have many friends so i spent a lot of time studying. i did all the practice papers, i did everything right. but i guess i didn’t put enough hours, i didn’t put enough energy, i didn’t care enough because i still failed.

I don’t know where to go from here, and i’m sick of crying about it. But also, i really don’t think I can spend another recess alone. I’ve done it all my life, and it never seems to get easier. any and all advice is welcome.
 

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I mean I don’t recommend dropping out especially if u want to go to uni. Even if u aren’t getting the results u want to u always have time to improve and do better. And even if u don’t get the atar u want to, with ur adjustment points, schemes, etc u can even get into diploma courses without an atar. But it’s better to complete ur hsc, no matter how bad ur marks are so that u can open ur options up for future study
 

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hey, I hope you're doing okay! it doesn't sound easy, I wish you'd been able to do online school - I know people who did and they greatly enjoyed the change.

the hard subjects "scaling up" is true but it's not quite that simple - there are many explanations on here, I'm sure! the simplest explanation is that raw marks get aligned (i.e. changed) to another mark based on its difficulty, and it also contributes positively to your ATAR, but this is definitely not the most entirely accurate.

you will definitely be eligible for a lot of early entry programs, so check those out - gateway at UNSW, for example. it might even be unconditional if they think your year 11 grades are good enough, which takes off a lot of pressure. (other people definitely know more about it...) I would also check what unis offer courses you're into, and what the ATAR requirement actually is - it's scary, but knowing what you're aiming for might help.

you have a nice subject spread! have you considered dropping anything? if the workload is a lot and you feel like you're giving it your all, maybe you need a mental break. those who know me would know I'm a huge advocate of sleep, haha! but seriously, make sure you're taking a break, because it sounds like you're putting a lot of effort in.

considering you kind of have a game plan for uni, I wouldn't recommend dropping out, as it's not the kind of degree that would be easy to get into without ATAR. if you decide to, don't be ashamed! there's plenty of wonderful jobs out there, and if offloading the strain on your mental health is worth it, then by all means go ahead. but since you seem passionate about genetics and genomics, personally I hope you continue with school. there's a lot of scholarships on offer, as well as bonus points or selection rank, so have a look if you're eligible for any of those.

don't say that you didn't do enough, or that you didn't care enough. it might feel that way, and I get it. but though there are technically always more hours in the day, recognise your limits, and recognise what you're capable of! you can improve, I'm sure of it.
 

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Hey im not commenting to reply to your question but to tell you that the concept of a friend is someone who is there for you and will support you and wanted to tell you that we have a relatively big online community here (Class of 2026) and you can make a bunch of friends. Ik its never the same as a physical person but maybe itll have less of a weight on you!
 

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as many of you know, it’s the beginning of year 12. i’m getting my prelim marks back, and except for english and maths, i’m not passing anything. well since i did alright on my assignments i didn’t *fail* overall, but i’m still not fairing well.

I go to a really low ranking school, it’s extremely rare that someone gets a band 6. however, because i go to such a school, i’m eligible to a lot of university entry schemes for low income students who go to bad schools.

I joined this school in year 10, and i hated it on my first day, and i still hate it today. i really wanted to change to online school, but my parents were against the idea. i have absolutely no friends in this school, and i’ve got bad grades. i’m thinking of pivoting and taking some apprenticeship in TAFE and figuring it out from there.

My parents aren’t going to pay for tutoring. i take advanced english, standard math, chemistry (more like cheMYSTERY because i have no idea what’s going on), biology, HMS and modern history.

Because i take such hard subjects, i get scaled up (well at least i think that’s how that works), and because i go to a bad school i get extra bonus points (i’m pretty sure). so maybe i should just stick it out, try my best and just see what happens. i can probably bullshit my way into university because diversity or something. If i were to go to university, i would major in genetics and genomics, as that really interests me.

i didn’t drop out after year 10 because i really do love learning. I spent my time last year looking at the GCSE course for biology and chemistry, not because someone told me to, but because i love science, and the stupid booklets that a 10 year old could understand weren’t meeting my needs. I took elective history with mandatory stage 5 history which meant i had history every single day except Wednesday when my teacher didn’t work, and not once did i complain because i loved history. (i’m more of an ancient history person though)

I really thought i would do well in year 11. i put all my effort into it, it’s not like i have many friends so i spent a lot of time studying. i did all the practice papers, i did everything right. but i guess i didn’t put enough hours, i didn’t put enough energy, i didn’t care enough because i still failed.

I don’t know where to go from here, and i’m sick of crying about it. But also, i really don’t think I can spend another recess alone. I’ve done it all my life, and it never seems to get easier. any and all advice is welcome.
hey there id like to chip in about the self learning science part, as someone who didnt go to tutoring but still did well throughout high school. dont despair! your subjects are good in that you can still excel without tutoring, just need to find good accurate resources for learning. Also, in year 12 ur results reflect ur efforts a lot more because there are past papers for everything and you can study everything cause yk exactly what type of stuffs gonna pop up
For self studying, I highly recommend Science Ready on youtube ( chemistry and physics, not sure if theres bio) and Atomi for everything else. If your school doesn't offer atomi or edrolo then I would ask your parents to pay for a subscription as tutoring is a lot more expensive and offers far less return on investment. Catalyst chemistry has rundowns on chemistry on youtube for free, they made it piss easy to understand whereas my teachers explanation thoroughly confused tf out of me.

Also, dont lose that spark for science. it will take you far.
 

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hey!! i'm really sorry you are going through this:( i personally know what it feels like to put your 100% and nothing changes, and i know it sucks.

but i also know that it won't always be like that. i can't tell you to just 'work harder,' because i already know you are pushing your limits. instead, just keep trying.

maybe change up your study methods (i find that handwriting notes for chem and bio helps me memorise content better:) ) for history, just do lots of extra readings - read as many textbooks as you can, find as many quotes and contextual points as you can. not enough people realise the value of just reading their textbooks and what an impact it can make. you said you are more of an ancient history person - it's too late to switch now, but why don't you consider taking history extension? that way, you can focus on any topic in ancient history you like, and trust me, it is such an easy atar booster of a subject.

there is NOTHING wrong in dropping out and finding your passions through tafe - that is a completely viable option with so many career paths. i'm hesitant to encourage you to do so, however, because you say you love learning. even many of the toppers aren't able to love it truly. plus, you already have a set out university degree in mind, with the ambition of genetics and genomic (super cool btw).

the best advice i can give is, honestly, try to tough it out for just one more year. focus of what you really love (history and science from what i gather), drop a subject you don't. i know you feel lonely at school, and i know what a terrible experience it is. BUT i think you need to prioritise yourself, your ambitions, your future - as hard as it is, don't let the fact that you feel alone be one of the reasons you want to drop out.

also, like jane said, we do have a big bos community. i hope you can find some sort of friendship through us:) hang in there!!
 

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Oh i didn’t actually do the gcse, the stage 5 science course was EXTREMELY simplified, so i looked at the gcse course for biology and chemistry because i knew i was picking those for HSC
yup our science syllabus is absolutely awful. gcse is for people in year 9 and they already do the stuff hsc physics does for gcse physics. (gcse is from UK, which means Australia is even behind in the western world)
 

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I was planning on dropping HMS since the content isn’t as i expected (I came first in stage 5 PDHPE last year), my school does offer extension history but i’m a bit worried about having too much on my plate? I only do 7 hours of modern history a fortnight at school, and most others do 8-9, so we’re a bit behind. I’m probably not going to get a degree in history anyway, or really do much with it in the future? But thank you for the suggestion, i really appreciate it.
 

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I was planning on dropping HMS since the content isn’t as i expected (I came first in stage 5 PDHPE last year), my school does offer extension history but i’m a bit worried about having too much on my plate? I only do 7 hours of modern history a fortnight at school, and most others do 8-9, so we’re a bit behind. I’m probably not going to get a degree in history anyway, or really do much with it in the future? But thank you for the suggestion, i really appreciate it.
well, i'm also planning to study science in the future, but i still do ancient + history extension. the main reason is that i like it (as i assume you do from what you wrote above) and it, again, is an easy atar booster. you don't have to take it just cause you don't want to pursue history in uni.
just providing a different perspective, you make your own choices based on what is best for you!
 

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hey there id like to chip in about the self learning science part, as someone who didnt go to tutoring but still did well throughout high school. dont despair! your subjects are good in that you can still excel without tutoring, just need to find good accurate resources for learning. Also, in year 12 ur results reflect ur efforts a lot more because there are past papers for everything and you can study everything cause yk exactly what type of stuffs gonna pop up
For self studying, I highly recommend Science Ready on youtube ( chemistry and physics, not sure if theres bio) and Atomi for everything else. If your school doesn't offer atomi or edrolo then I would ask your parents to pay for a subscription as tutoring is a lot more expensive and offers far less return on investment. Catalyst chemistry has rundowns on chemistry on youtube for free, they made it piss easy to understand whereas my teachers explanation thoroughly confused tf out of me.

Also, dont lose that spark for science. it will take you far.
I did actually use the science ready resources for my chemistry, however I probably didn’t start early enough. For preliminary chemistry, i *understood* everything but just not to a great degree. according to my teacher, the exam was VERY hard and I ended up leaving out many questions as I simply could not understand what the question was asking from me. Also, i didn’t really have a teacher for year 11. I had one in term one (it didnt seem that she knew what she was talking about and we were really behind), and she left for all of term 2, then only did 3 weeks of term 3 before disappearing again.
My current teacher is an old man (who although does know chemistry, doesn’t know how to teach HSC) and i can barely stay awake in his class.


Chemistries top student with a 52% did matrix tutoring i believe.

My school does have atomi, but it’s year 12 only.
 

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hey, I hope you're doing okay! it doesn't sound easy, I wish you'd been able to do online school - I know people who did and they greatly enjoyed the change.

the hard subjects "scaling up" is true but it's not quite that simple - there are many explanations on here, I'm sure! the simplest explanation is that raw marks get aligned (i.e. changed) to another mark based on its difficulty, and it also contributes positively to your ATAR, but this is definitely not the most entirely accurate.

you will definitely be eligible for a lot of early entry programs, so check those out - gateway at UNSW, for example. it might even be unconditional if they think your year 11 grades are good enough, which takes off a lot of pressure. (other people definitely know more about it...) I would also check what unis offer courses you're into, and what the ATAR requirement actually is - it's scary, but knowing what you're aiming for might help.

you have a nice subject spread! have you considered dropping anything? if the workload is a lot and you feel like you're giving it your all, maybe you need a mental break. those who know me would know I'm a huge advocate of sleep, haha! but seriously, make sure you're taking a break, because it sounds like you're putting a lot of effort in.

considering you kind of have a game plan for uni, I wouldn't recommend dropping out, as it's not the kind of degree that would be easy to get into without ATAR. if you decide to, don't be ashamed! there's plenty of wonderful jobs out there, and if offloading the strain on your mental health is worth it, then by all means go ahead. but since you seem passionate about genetics and genomics, personally I hope you continue with school. there's a lot of scholarships on offer, as well as bonus points or selection rank, so have a look if you're eligible for any of those.

don't say that you didn't do enough, or that you didn't care enough. it might feel that way, and I get it. but though there are technically always more hours in the day, recognise your limits, and recognise what you're capable of! you can improve, I'm sure of it.
How am i actually eligible for those early entry programs if i don’t meet the marks? I’m planning on dropping HMS. School is general is really bad for my mental health, i’ve been severely bullied, in social isolation and I have really horrible panic attacks (that’s i’ve gotten better at managing but i don’t panic about anything other than school, I didn’t go to school on the first day of 2025 because i had such a bad panic attack on my way over that my mum turned the car around and took me home)

I feel like it really is just one year left. but that’s one year left of feeling like i’m on fight or flight, that’s one year left of spending every break alone, that’s one year of mental anguish and I don’t want to subject myself to that.
 

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as many of you know, it’s the beginning of year 12. i’m getting my prelim marks back, and except for english and maths, i’m not passing anything. well since i did alright on my assignments i didn’t *fail* overall, but i’m still not fairing well.

I go to a really low ranking school, it’s extremely rare that someone gets a band 6. however, because i go to such a school, i’m eligible to a lot of university entry schemes for low income students who go to bad schools.

I joined this school in year 10, and i hated it on my first day, and i still hate it today. i really wanted to change to online school, but my parents were against the idea. i have absolutely no friends in this school, and i’ve got bad grades. i’m thinking of pivoting and taking some apprenticeship in TAFE and figuring it out from there.

My parents aren’t going to pay for tutoring. i take advanced english, standard math, chemistry (more like cheMYSTERY because i have no idea what’s going on), biology, HMS and modern history.

Because i take such hard subjects, i get scaled up (well at least i think that’s how that works), and because i go to a bad school i get extra bonus points (i’m pretty sure). so maybe i should just stick it out, try my best and just see what happens. i can probably bullshit my way into university because diversity or something. If i were to go to university, i would major in genetics and genomics, as that really interests me.

i didn’t drop out after year 10 because i really do love learning. I spent my time last year looking at the GCSE course for biology and chemistry, not because someone told me to, but because i love science, and the stupid booklets that a 10 year old could understand weren’t meeting my needs. I took elective history with mandatory stage 5 history which meant i had history every single day except Wednesday when my teacher didn’t work, and not once did i complain because i loved history. (i’m more of an ancient history person though)

I really thought i would do well in year 11. i put all my effort into it, it’s not like i have many friends so i spent a lot of time studying. i did all the practice papers, i did everything right. but i guess i didn’t put enough hours, i didn’t put enough energy, i didn’t care enough because i still failed.

I don’t know where to go from here, and i’m sick of crying about it. But also, i really don’t think I can spend another recess alone. I’ve done it all my life, and it never seems to get easier. any and all advice is welcome.
For everyone who took the effort to read this and reply with their own advice and experiences, I really appreciate every message. Means a lot to me. Thank you.
 

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How am i actually eligible for those early entry programs if i don’t meet the marks? I’m planning on dropping HMS. School is general is really bad for my mental health, i’ve been severely bullied, in social isolation and I have really horrible panic attacks (that’s i’ve gotten better at managing but i don’t panic about anything other than school, I didn’t go to school on the first day of 2025 because i had such a bad panic attack on my way over that my mum turned the car around and took me home)

I feel like it really is just one year left. but that’s one year left of feeling like i’m on fight or flight, that’s one year left of spending every break alone, that’s one year of mental anguish and I don’t want to subject myself to that.
I don't know exactly what your marks are like, but I do know that for some private unis such as Notre Dame, the threshold isn't that high - if you end up continuing with school, they're worth a shot. WSU and ACU tend to give out a lot of early entry unconditionally (and Macq if you do any co-curriculars really).

honestly though, if your mental health is being impacted that badly - dropping out isn't a bad choice. if you want, maybe try and survive the term, to see how you feel? then you can start the new year with the resolution of your decision. some people find year 11 worse than year 12. but seriously, your mental health is super important - an ATAR is not worth that much stress, especially in this society with so many other options.

by the way, I just had a quick look, and TAFE has these laboratory science courses that mean that maybe you could still pursue your interests without an ATAR pathway:
unsure if this is exactly overlapping with your potential uni interests, but maybe see if it is something you're interested in? pathology is a super cool field. also, lots of diplomas don't require ATARs, and they open pathways to uni (many unis have a diploma college, this was just one of the first links I found):
the only thing with the diplomas is that they can get really expensive, so check if you can afford them. TAFE is definitely more affordable.

I wish you all the best, please don't strain yourself. people from my school dropped out, and people from my school also made the decision to tough it out - so I can say that I've seen examples of both, and both are happy with their decision. as long as you're happy with yours, then we'll all be happy for you!
 

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I don't know exactly what your marks are like, but I do know that for some private unis such as Notre Dame, the threshold isn't that high - if you end up continuing with school, they're worth a shot. WSU and ACU tend to give out a lot of early entry unconditionally (and Macq if you do any co-curriculars really).

honestly though, if your mental health is being impacted that badly - dropping out isn't a bad choice. if you want, maybe try and survive the term, to see how you feel? then you can start the new year with the resolution of your decision. some people find year 11 worse than year 12. but seriously, your mental health is super important - an ATAR is not worth that much stress, especially in this society with so many other options.

by the way, I just had a quick look, and TAFE has these laboratory science courses that mean that maybe you could still pursue your interests without an ATAR pathway:
unsure if this is exactly overlapping with your potential uni interests, but maybe see if it is something you're interested in? pathology is a super cool field. also, lots of diplomas don't require ATARs, and they open pathways to uni (many unis have a diploma college, this was just one of the first links I found):
the only thing with the diplomas is that they can get really expensive, so check if you can afford them. TAFE is definitely more affordable.

I wish you all the best, please don't strain yourself. people from my school dropped out, and people from my school also made the decision to tough it out - so I can say that I've seen examples of both, and both are happy with their decision. as long as you're happy with yours, then we'll all be happy for you!
Thank you for going through all that effort for me. Those courses were the ones i was considering, i also see tafe has some chemistry and HSC online courses too that i would consider, and by doing that; and or getting a diploma, I would easily get accepted into a related degree.
 

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how condescending. telling someone to do tafe is offensive, given that ur doing 4u maths 🤣
4U maths makes me happy, but that doesn't mean other things can't make other people happy. I'm not in the same situation OP is in, but they should be able to get opinions from everyone. and if they're considering dropping out, then shouldn't they be informed of the educational pathways in their fields of interest that are still available to them? sorry if it read as "telling them to go to TAFE" but I just meant that they shouldn't feel locked out of their interest in genetics and genomics if they choose not to continue high school. also, TAFE is a perfectly valid certification - people who've done 4U might've needed Cert III and IV's and gone to TAFE as well, I might very well seek such a certification, so I don't see the correlation...

but yeah, you don't know the people I'm friends with and the journeys I've witnessed. it's not my place to tell those stories, but because of them this is one of those issues I actually care about, so I just hope that OP makes a decision that they're happy with.

Thank you for going through all that effort for me. Those courses were the ones i was considering, i also see tafe has some chemistry and HSC online courses too that i would consider, and by doing that; and or getting a diploma, I would easily get accepted into a related degree.
it wasn't much, I'm glad it could help somewhat! diplomas are really powerful options from what I hear. depending on what uni you pick, I'm pretty sure (don't quote me) you're all but guaranteed entry in the equivalent bachelor in the following year. I only know TAFE's trade options so I can't really help with the relevance of these courses, but I'm glad to hear that they have chemistry-related courses on offer!

the only thing I don't know about dropping out is that there might be a law somewhere that you have to undergo some form of education until you're 17 and diplomas ask you to be over 17...but I'm sure you know more about this stuff than me. toodle-oo!
 

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as many of you know, it’s the beginning of year 12. i’m getting my prelim marks back, and except for english and maths, i’m not passing anything. well since i did alright on my assignments i didn’t *fail* overall, but i’m still not fairing well.

I go to a really low ranking school, it’s extremely rare that someone gets a band 6. however, because i go to such a school, i’m eligible to a lot of university entry schemes for low income students who go to bad schools.

I joined this school in year 10, and i hated it on my first day, and i still hate it today. i really wanted to change to online school, but my parents were against the idea. i have absolutely no friends in this school, and i’ve got bad grades. i’m thinking of pivoting and taking some apprenticeship in TAFE and figuring it out from there.

My parents aren’t going to pay for tutoring. i take advanced english, standard math, chemistry (more like cheMYSTERY because i have no idea what’s going on), biology, HMS and modern history.

Because i take such hard subjects, i get scaled up (well at least i think that’s how that works), and because i go to a bad school i get extra bonus points (i’m pretty sure). so maybe i should just stick it out, try my best and just see what happens. i can probably bullshit my way into university because diversity or something. If i were to go to university, i would major in genetics and genomics, as that really interests me.

i didn’t drop out after year 10 because i really do love learning. I spent my time last year looking at the GCSE course for biology and chemistry, not because someone told me to, but because i love science, and the stupid booklets that a 10 year old could understand weren’t meeting my needs. I took elective history with mandatory stage 5 history which meant i had history every single day except Wednesday when my teacher didn’t work, and not once did i complain because i loved history. (i’m more of an ancient history person though)

I really thought i would do well in year 11. i put all my effort into it, it’s not like i have many friends so i spent a lot of time studying. i did all the practice papers, i did everything right. but i guess i didn’t put enough hours, i didn’t put enough energy, i didn’t care enough because i still failed.

I don’t know where to go from here, and i’m sick of crying about it. But also, i really don’t think I can spend another recess alone. I’ve done it all my life, and it never seems to get easier. any and all advice is welcome.
TAFE aint even bad sure people think you would lose aura if you go to tafe but honestly you get so much work experience plus you can switch to uni later on (like finish your degree in a particular uni, even the top ones). You save money, you have experience, and you can still go to uni without restarting. So if you think you will do good in TAFE, go for it. But if you want to continue school then go ahead.
 

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honestly though, if your mental health is being impacted that badly - dropping out isn't a bad choice. if you want, maybe try and survive the term, to see how you feel? then you can start the new year with the resolution of your decision. some people find year 11 worse than year 12. but seriously, your mental health is super important - an ATAR is not worth that much stress, especially in this society with so many other options.
yea i definitely agree. you are much more important than your marks. give it one more shot, and if you can't, apply for tafe.
and also just ignore coolcat, he has a bit of a reputation for being a ragebaiter...
 

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I did actually use the science ready resources for my chemistry, however I probably didn’t start early enough. For preliminary chemistry, i *understood* everything but just not to a great degree. according to my teacher, the exam was VERY hard and I ended up leaving out many questions as I simply could not understand what the question was asking from me. Also, i didn’t really have a teacher for year 11. I had one in term one (it didnt seem that she knew what she was talking about and we were really behind), and she left for all of term 2, then only did 3 weeks of term 3 before disappearing again.
My current teacher is an old man (who although does know chemistry, doesn’t know how to teach HSC) and i can barely stay awake in his class.


Chemistries top student with a 52% did matrix tutoring i believe.

My school does have atomi, but it’s year 12 only.
Yeah, sounds just like my experience in prelim chemistry. A foreign teacher who was nice but really hard to understand.
Chemistry bible -> https://www.youtube.com/@Catalyst.Chemistry/videos
physics -> science ready, year 12 atomi for sure

Considering you have really bad teachers (i do too, its horrible) you'll have to self study using these online resources. Check out the ConquerHSC discord server for a LOT of free help and resources (tutoring notes, questions hw) too.

Also, get some friends. doing hsc without friends will be miserable and lonely. If you can't make any friends in a whole cohort of people then there's something you're not doing right - approach some nice people and talk to them, see if you can relate with them about ur experiences with bad teachers. Play some sport if you can too.
 

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