Israel attacks Lebanon (2 Viewers)

[Generator]

This isn't the forum for petty insults and personal conversations are best kept to PMs or MSN.

Keep to the topic and keep it clean.

 

[StGeorgeDragons]

If you are blind September 11, happened because of terrorists, the retaliation of September 11 was exactly the same as what Israel is currently doing, that being the destruction of terrorist organisations. The Taliban was destroyed, and sooner or later Hezbollah well be to.

Even USA response to 911, iraq and afgan is making more sense then this attack on lebanon. The iraq and afgan government had to be removed. They were going for the terroist, and civilians lives got caught up, Rather then what israel are doing now, bombing everywhere in Lebanon for no reason, except to "pressure the government", which will never work. In this situation, civlians are dying for no reason.

 

[banco55]

Interesting perspective from a former Egyptian army officer:

"My dad was a general in the Egyptian army. His comments are always so informative especially if they were related to a war that broke out. He had this to say about Lebanon:

This idiot Nasrallah. He is so funny. He keeps on issuing threats, he has no idea what he is talking about. What Israel is doing to him now is just gentle padding on the shoulders. Abou Shakha dah didn't see what we saw. Israel fought on 3 fronts in 1967 and it was hell. I was there, I saw it all. He has no tanks, no boats, he has nothing except a few toys he got from Iran and it seems abu shakha dah don't know that Israel confronted 3 of the most powerful armies in the region at the same time. If Israel wanted to brutally crush him it can do so in 1 hour.
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*Abu Shakha dah literally means "this guy with the piss". We use this slang term to refer to a grown up whose capabilities is of a baby who wets himself."

http://www.bigpharaoh.com/2006/07/14/dad-weighs-in/

 

[jenzipoo]

Even USA response to 911, iraq and afgan is making more sense then this attack on lebanon. The iraq and afgan government had to be removed. They were going for the terroist, and civilians lives got caught up, Rather then what israel are doing now, bombing everywhere in Lebanon for no reason, except to "pressure the government", which will never work. In this situation, civlians are dying for no reason.

israel has warned the Lebanese 'government' about hezbollah for a very very long time and has tried to show them how these people are issues...lebanon did nothing...now that this "issue" has spread to israel they arent going to wait around...not when their own civilians are threatened...

and just like the iraq and afghan government must be removed so too must the lebanese government be removed and the issue removed in order to provide the lebanese people with a democratically elected AND capable government which refuses to accept such "issues" in their country..

 

[Captain Obvious 1]

This isn't the forum for petty insults and personal conversations are best kept to PMs or MSN.

Keep to the topic and keep it clean.

Since when has NCAP been clean?

 

[gerhard]

...so too must the lebanese government be removed and the issue removed in order to provide the lebanese people with a democratically elected AND capable government which refuses to accept such "issues" in their country..

Do you even think about what you are saying?

A democratic government does what the people want. If you replace a democratic government by another democratic government, nothing will change. If something does change then the government arent democratic at all, unless the peoples wishes have also changed. Pretty much you just want to install a regime which is nicer to israel, which obviously isnt democratic at all.

 

[jenzipoo]

Do you even think about what you are saying?

A democratic government does what the people want. If you replace a democratic government by another democratic government, nothing will change. If something does change then the government arent democratic at all, unless the peoples wishes have also changed. Pretty much you just want to install a regime which is nicer to israel, which obviously isnt democratic at all.

do you ever read what im saying..

i sed without these issues ie hezbollah then another government may be elected which does not have hezbollah representatives in it to protect and support their cause! this means that finally what was meant to be done ages ago can be...the total dissarment of this terrorist organisation

if you would like further reasoning as to the legitemacy of Israel's argument of disarming hezbollah and removing them from government..
UN Security Council Resolution 1559 of September 2004, which referred back to Resolution 425, called "upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon"; "for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias"; and supported "the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory".
Syria eventually complied with 1559 and removed its occupying forces. However, the Lebanese government has not disarmed Hezbollah nor has it sent its armed forces to secure southern Lebanon and the border with Israel.
In addition, Hezbollah is actually part of the Lebanese government, which contains two Hezbollah members in the Cabinet. The Lebanese government, therefore, cannot abstain from responsibility for the actions of a part of its own leadership.

 

[Mc_Meaney]

Israel is not killing civilians. The media blows everything out of perspective. Why dont you look at the past 6 years and take into account the 100s of Israeli's been killed by terrorist attacks in Israel and tell me ??? Who the hell do you think has the right to go around blowing themselves up in the name of Allah ??.

Not killing civilians? Wow, I suppose the bus filled with children was really midget terrorists?

No one has the right to take another life in the name of their god (be it the christian, Jew or Muslim ie Allah) but in saying that, Israelis don't have the right either to respond to the kidnap of soldiers by bombing civilian installations in Lebanon. I can understand some of the logic that Israel may be bombing (I don't condone this though!) bridges and the airport - as it may be seen that the Hizbollah kidnappers may try to transport the kidnapped soldiers (who in my mind are already dead) out of Lebanon. In saying this, bombing the Lebanese towns and civilian infrastructure is only going to further setback the redevelopment of a nation wartorn from two previous Israeli invasions + a civil war.

Why don't they send some MOSAD (or MOSSAD) agents into Lebanon to suss out their conditon + location and then send in commando units in to retrieve them? This may not be a practical solution, but it is one that is going to recieve far less universal condemnation.

Could it be considered that Israel in committing war crimes? Just a question for future posters.

 

[jenzipoo]

Could it be considered that Israel in committing war crimes? Just a question for future posters.

war crime
n.
Any of various crimes, such as genocide or the mistreatment of prisoners of war, committed during a war and considered in violation of the conventions of warfare.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/war%20crime

nuh mate dont think so

 

[Jordan.J]

Its weird how the might of Israel can easily wipe out Hezbollah, but they dont

Why ?

Israel continue to give Hezbollah an excuse to exist

The Disputed Sheba farms

Holding prisoners which were supposed to be released

My thoughts are that Israel want Hezbollah to exist so the conflict continues, and therfore they continue to recieve funds from the U.S

$$$

 

[Jordan.J]

war crime
n.
Any of various crimes, such as genocide or the mistreatment of prisoners of war, committed during a war and considered in violation of the conventions of warfare.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/war%20crime

nuh mate dont think so

How about looking at the Geneva accord?

Targetting civilians and civilian infrastructure is a war crime

 

[jenzipoo]

Its weird how the might of Israel can easily wipe out Hezbollah, but they dont

Why ?

Israel continue to give Hezbollah an excuse to exist

The Disputed Sheba farms

Holding prisoners which were supposed to be released

My thoughts are that Israel want Hezbollah to exist so the conflict continues, and therfore they continue to recieve funds from the U.S

$$$

Sheba farms:
On May 24, 2000, Israel completed the unilateral withdrawal of all IDF forces from southern Lebanon, in accordance with Israeli government decisions and UN Security Council Resolution 425, ending an 18-year presence there.

On June 18, 2000, the UN Security Council endorsed the Secretary-General's conclusion that, as of 16 June, Israel had withdrawn its forces from Lebanon in accordance with Resolution 425.
As explained by Israel's Foreign Ministry, the Shebaa Farms area is not, and should not be, considered disputed territory - its status was clarified by a number of United Nations statements following the withdrawal of Israel forces from Lebanon in May 2000.

The United Nations views the Shebaa Farms area as Syrian territory. Therefore, UN Security Council Resolution 425 - which concerns Lebanon - does not require Israel to withdraw from this area.
While Lebanon claims to be the owner of the Shebaa Farms area, the UN has encouraged the Lebanese and Syrians to negotiate between themselves as to who is the rightful owner. If Syria were to cede ownership of the area to Lebanon, then it is probable that Israel and the UN would then reconsider the status of the territory. In the meantime, the issue of the Shebaa Farms is used simply as an excuse for the Hezbollah to maintain itself as an armed force in the region.

Your money conspiracy: Israel doesnt need the US's money...they have enough philanropists within Australia, USA, Britain, South Africa and the rest of the world which provide Israel with billions and billions of dollars each year for general upkeep, military, education and other needs

 

[jenzipoo]

How about looking at the Geneva accord?

Targetting civilians and civilian infrastructure is a war crime

heres the link...i must be blind coz i dont see it

http://www.geneva-accord.org/Accord.aspx?FolderID=33&lang=en

 

[Jordan.J]

Sheba farms:
On May 24, 2000, Israel completed the unilateral withdrawal of all IDF forces from southern Lebanon, in accordance with Israeli government decisions and UN Security Council Resolution 425, ending an 18-year presence there.

On June 18, 2000, the UN Security Council endorsed the Secretary-General's conclusion that, as of 16 June, Israel had withdrawn its forces from Lebanon in accordance with Resolution 425.
As explained by Israel's Foreign Ministry, the Shebaa Farms area is not, and should not be, considered disputed territory - its status was clarified by a number of United Nations statements following the withdrawal of Israel forces from Lebanon in May 2000.

The United Nations views the Shebaa Farms area as Syrian territory. Therefore, UN Security Council Resolution 425 - which concerns Lebanon - does not require Israel to withdraw from this area.
While Lebanon claims to be the owner of the Shebaa Farms area, the UN has encouraged the Lebanese and Syrians to negotiate between themselves as to who is the rightful owner. If Syria were to cede ownership of the area to Lebanon, then it is probable that Israel and the UN would then reconsider the status of the territory. In the meantime, the issue of the Shebaa Farms is used simply as an excuse for the Hezbollah to maintain itself as an armed force in the region.

Your money conspiracy: Israel doesnt need the US's money...they have enough philanropists within Australia, USA, Britain, South Africa and the rest of the world which provide Israel with billions and billions of dollars each year for general upkeep, military, education and other needs

Syria has stated that the Sheba farms area is Lebanese territory. It shouldnt even be disputed

They dont need money, but who wouldnt want more than they need

 

[jenzipoo]

Syria has stated that the Sheba farms area is Lebanese territory. It shouldnt even be disputed

They dont need money, but who wouldnt want more than they need

show me where syria says that


your suggesting Israel a) knows where hezbollah is but wont do anyhting b) wont get rid of them for money...because they have enough but want more????
so theyll risk their own citizens lives for money..

 

[gerhard]

do you ever read what im saying..

i sed without these issues ie hezbollah then another government may be elected which does not have hezbollah representatives in it to protect and support their cause! this means that finally what was meant to be done ages ago can be...the total dissarment of this terrorist organisation

but there is no reason to believe this would happen. if people voted for hezbollah once, why wont they do it again?

 

[_dhj_]

war crime
n.
Any of various crimes, such as genocide or the mistreatment of prisoners of war, committed during a war and considered in violation of the conventions of warfare.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/war%20crime

nuh mate dont think so

Don't pretend to be stupid. Of course targeting civilians is a war crime. You'd be better off trying to argue that international law in general is irrelevant.

 

[jenzipoo]

but there is no reason to believe this would happen. if people voted for hezbollah once, why wont they do it again?

with hezbollah totally disarmed they will not be ALLOWED to be voted in..

 

[jenzipoo]

Don't pretend to be stupid. Of course targeting civilians is a war crime. You'd be better off trying to argue that international law in general is irrelevant.

targeting civilians is your opinion...

the israeli army openly states its objectives and that certainly isnt one...if anyhting its the antithesis of this!

 

[Mc_Meaney]

heres the link...i must be blind coz i dont see it

http://www.geneva-accord.org/Accord.aspx?FolderID=33&lang=en

May I suggest the Geneva Convention.

Heres a link - http://www.internationalcrimes.com/war.htm

It states

-Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
-Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
-Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
-Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;

But in saying that, Hizbollah have committed what could be considered war crimes

Taking of hostages

among other things