Japanese Whalers (2 Viewers)

[Justin]

I don't understand how donating money to Greenpeace is going to help stop whaling. It seems like its just a fund-raising campaign to me.

 

[danieljarvis]

I don't understand how donating money to Greenpeace is going to help stop whaling. It seems like its just a fund-raising campaign to me.

what's wrong with fundraising for greenpeace? im happy to give them money without knowing what they use it for.

 

[Kwayera]

The whalers in Japan - and Norway! - make me sick. I believe that whales are sentient creatures - it'd be like hunting humans, and we don't do that, do we?

And you know, there's no laws protecting the countless thousands of dolphins that are slaughtered every year in Taiji, Japan - they have NO proctection. When I have enough money, I'm joing to join the Sea Shepherd cruises to slash the nets that they herd the dolphins into shore with; better than Greenpeace, who do NOTHING.

 

[danieljarvis]

The whalers in Japan - and Norway! - make me sick. I believe that whales are sentient creatures - it'd be like hunting humans, and we don't do that, do we?

And you know, there's no laws protecting the countless thousands of dolphins that are slaughtered every year in Taiji, Japan - they have NO proctection. When I have enough money, I'm joing to join the Sea Shepherd cruises to slash the nets that they herd the dolphins into shore with; better than Greenpeace, who do NOTHING.

i love you more than the girls who kiseeed me tonight

 

[M.I.A-187]

I have no love for jap whalers course i like whales and they killed them in a very cruel way.

 

[Wolfowitz]

i love you more than the girls who kiseeed me tonight

Could I kiss you tonight?

 

[xeuyrawp]

I have no love for jap whalers course i like whales and they killed them in a very cruel way.

That's a very valid point. It takes nearly an hour for a whale to die.

 

[danieljarvis]

If they don't immediately start hacking away at its corpse (for scientific purposes!) first.

they actually blow them up with grenades. inhuman mother fuckers. there HAS to be a better way. at least anaesthatise them first hey?

 

[Phanatical]

Whale meat is quite a delicacy in Japanese cuisine.

Eating whales is like eating kangaroo. Only difference is nobody gets pissy at us when we hit a kangaroo with our cars.

 

[Jiga]

Whale meat is quite a delicacy in Japanese cuisine.

Eating whales is like eating kangaroo. Only difference is nobody gets pissy at us when we hit a kangaroo with our cars.

What really pissed me off about these Japs and the whale was a quote from some Jap whale official guy which was something like:

"How would Australias feel if we stopped you fro meating kangaroo?"

What a sterotypical comment that in that we all eat kangaroo at the levels Japs eat whales! And furthermore, the key difference between the two is that Kangaroos are in Australia in plague proportions, often needing to be culled - but there are shyte all whales realistically left! So that comment had always made my blood boil!

Two things i dont understand though, is firstly how the fark can Japs come into our waters through that loophole....its out water, if research on them needs to be done we should be the only ones able to do it! (Although we know that a BS excuse). And secondly, couldnt a defence to that research bullshit be that they should use dead/beached whales for these purposes, espeically in regards to that species of whale that is endangered that they kilL!? No that this matters, the mere fact that they HAD a quota of 400 and now have one of 900 proves its BS, why the hell would research need that many animals killed. I say Australia hires some mercernaries to take out the Jap fleet, then its no-ones fault

 

[danieljarvis]

Whale meat is quite a delicacy in Japanese cuisine.

Eating whales is like eating kangaroo. Only difference is nobody gets pissy at us when we hit a kangaroo with our cars.

absolute idiot

 

[Kwayera]

What really pissed me off about these Japs and the whale was a quote from some Jap whale official guy which was something like:

"How would Australias feel if we stopped you fro meating kangaroo?"

What a sterotypical comment that in that we all eat kangaroo at the levels Japs eat whales! And furthermore, the key difference between the two is that Kangaroos are in Australia in plague proportions, often needing to be culled - but there are shyte all whales realistically left! So that comment had always made my blood boil!

Two things i dont understand though, is firstly how the fark can Japs come into our waters through that loophole....its out water, if research on them needs to be done we should be the only ones able to do it! (Although we know that a BS excuse). And secondly, couldnt a defence to that research bullshit be that they should use dead/beached whales for these purposes, espeically in regards to that species of whale that is endangered that they kilL!? No that this matters, the mere fact that they HAD a quota of 400 and now have one of 900 proves its BS, why the hell would research need that many animals killed. I say Australia hires some mercernaries to take out the Jap fleet, then its no-ones fault

A-fucking-men.

What the Japanese whalers don't seem to understand as, as you say, the difference in populations and the WAY THE ANIMAL IS KILLED.

Firstly, kangaroos, as have been previously said, are in plague proportions. The meat that we eat from kangaroos (apparently called 'australus', now) are from humanely culled or farmed animals - operative word being HUMANE. We cull them to both protect our crops and the damage too many of them can do to the environment. Whales, however, in their very nature, are NEVER in 'plague proportions' - their size and food needs means that there would never be a food supply large enough to prompt and support a 'plague' (which also explains their extremely low reproductive rates, which hinder their ability to bounce back from a huge loss in numbers due to whaling - in fact, the Antarctic population of blue whales never recovered, and is considered extinct, just like the southern right whale is about to become). Killing them doesn't help the environment - it upsets the balance of food within both the nekton (upper layer animals, such as fish/whales/krill etc) and the benthic animals (seafloor) that rely on whale carcasses NATURALLY killed (called 'whale fall' - a large carcass can sustain a benthic population for close to two years) to survive.

Secondly, the way in which kangaroos and whales are killed differs enormously. Kangaroos, to meet our own abbatoir regulations, are killed humanely, like the cows and pigs and lamb that we eat. Whales are butchered - they are chased by the whaling whip until they are exhausted, shot with an EXPLOSIVE HARPOON that is supposed to kill them quickly but which, in actual fact, leaves them in agonizing pain as they bleed to death through the resulting massive hole in their side, tied to the hull of the ship (though some mercifully drown by the rushing of water into their blowholes). It is horribly inhumane. It is cruel, and savage, and a bloody, unnecessary way to die.

The dolphins that I mentioned earlier, as well as smaller species of whale such as pilot whales and false killer whales, are herded into shore by the thousands by nets and boats. In the shallows, teams of men in boats slash their throats - by the end the entire bay where they are killed are stained red by the quantity of blood shed. This is done in Norway, as well, with their allowed catch of whales for 'cultural reasons'.

There is nothing that humans do that is more barbaric.

What's worse is that whales and dolphins are so smart that I and many others in the field believe that they have a kind of intelligence like us - sentience, or being self-aware - which means that the entire time that they are tortured, they know what is happening to them, are acutely aware of the pain. They SUFFER. (This is actually the reason why I don't go to 'Seaworld' and the like. The orcas and dolphins you see on display suffer acutely from being separated from their pods - their families, essentially, as females within a pod stay together for the entire duration of their 70-odd years - and from being confined and forced to perform for their dinner. We don't confine humans in a circus, now do we? We'd go insane. So do they. That, however, is another rant, as is the finning of sharks.)

But yes. I like the Japanese as a race, but in this they are fucking primitive bloodthirsty lunatics.

Whale meat is quite a delicacy in Japanese cuisine.

Eating whales is like eating kangaroo. Only difference is nobody gets pissy at us when we hit a kangaroo with our cars.

Kangaroo meat is a sustainable resource. Whale meat is most definantly not. When did you last kill a whale by accidently running over it?

 

[leetom]

Clearly, this is a major issue and needs to be addressed immediately, less whale populations will be wiped out. The Government though, continually fails to take a stance against the Japanese and their brazen contempt for international law, which isn't surprising, because the Liberals have always been soft on the Japs. Hell, there was even a group of them that supported Japanese occupation during the war.

I like whales too, if ever I became a submariner I imagine I would enjoy hearing their sonar cries, but I think you would find that the existence of the Howard Government and its inability to address the issue properly is proportionate to the longevity of our whale populations.

 

[Kwayera]

That's bullshit, leetom, and I don't think the Labor Government, heaven forbid it ever come to power, would do anything in addition to stop it. This is not a local Australian political issue - it is a WORLD political issue, and the world as it is today needs Japan as a trading ally more than it needs it as a non-trading entity. Geopolitics as an entity don't care much for environmental issues, particularly ones such as this, that can step on so many toes. The whales, unfortunately, take the brunt of this cautious approach.

Until the world sees this as an issue - not just the Australian government, you prejudicially brainwashed buffoon - not much is going to happen.

 

[Serius]

fucking whaling fools, they are destroying a whole species those fucks!

heres what needs to be done... international get togther, ban any form of whaling, no chasing a whale, no harpooning a whale and none of this research bullshit. killing a whale is a mandatory life inprisionment for all crew and all board members of the company . then heavy fines, so heavy that they are a scaling rate so that no matter how rich the company is, they will be bankrupt from the fines. will take a few years for fines to come in, but when they do it all goes into policing whaling.

if whalers are found, confiscate their vessel. if their ship is 2 fast, or 2 heavily manned, torpedeo it....same goes for any other ship in our waters that we find not supposed to be there, we would flow it to kingdom come

then we do research on things we can do to replenish whale populations, promote breeding and what not, maybe some sort of genetic modification is necessary so that gestation period = 1 yr, reproductive cycle every 2 months something like that.

some sort of public awareness compaign in japan so that the people feel disgusted in themselves and refuse to eat whale meat. also encourage them to dob in offending companies...infact make it illegal to consume whale meat. that will serve them

 

[Serius]

if this shit doesnt end we need some sort of terrorist action... tome for those arbas to do something good for once, get them to suicide bomb that ship thats in hobarts harbour. sink it. and get greenpeace to step it up, buy big ass cannons and what not and sink any ship found to be whaling. if the government isnt going to do anything, lets take justice into our own hands

 

[Kwayera]

then we do research on things we can do to replenish whale populations, promote breeding and what not, maybe some sort of genetic modification is necessary so that gestation period = 1 yr, reproductive cycle every 2 months something like that.

Good idea, in theory, but useless in practice. The reason WHY whales take so long to breed is that, firstly, because of the calf's extraordinary size at birth and that fact that it needs to be fully functional at birth, it needs to develop for a LONG time in the womb. Genetic modification cannot change that. It also cannot change the length of time a whale needs to mature and therefore the length of time it stays with its mother, which is at the very least two years - the very minimum amount of time it needs with its mother to be able to survive on its own. This includes socialisation, induction of feeding habits (and/or hunting habits, in sperm whales and orca - this can take YEARS) and of knowledge of migration routes and other supplementary material - in a very real way, their development is almost as slow as our own.

 

[Serius]

well damn, there must be a way to increase the rate that they replenish themselves, cause ive got a feeling that its almost 2 late even if we stop the whaling today

everyone go here

http://photos.greenpeace.org.au

username : photos
password: green

check out this set is whaling southern oceans dec 21

 

[Kwayera]

well damn, there must be a way to increase the rate that they replenish themselves, cause ive got a feeling that its almost 2 late even if we stop the whaling today

Don't you get it? The reason why the whales are becoming extinct is because they CAN'T replenish themselves faster than they do now - their bodies, their environment, their nature simply will not and cannot allow it.

 

[Kwayera]

In response to those photos:

Bastards. Fucking MURDERING BASTARDS. What also gets me is the Southern Ocean is a whale SANCTUARY - they can't kill whales there!


I have some fairly gruesome ones of the dolphin massacres in Taiji, if you want to see them.