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anyways, all i got to say is suck shit. as a hard core lefty Morris got what he deserved. he walked away from the labor party manifesto and ideology which consequently brought him to his knees. with all the fuck up over the last decade, ill be voting in the libs at the next local and state elections.
 

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slickstar_01 said:
anyways, all i got to say is suck shit. as a hard core lefty Morris got what he deserved. he walked away from the labor party manifesto and ideology which consequently brought him to his knees. with all the fuck up over the last decade, ill be voting in the libs at the next local and state elections.
Iemma was in Centre Unity....the Right faction of the party
 

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Rebekkie said:
i'm just annoyed that my opinion doesn't matter. i live in a blue ribbon liberal seat - never have had a labor for any level of gov.

haven't decided which political party i follow but if i don't even know of any policies being presented by the liberal lot how am i supposed to know what they stand for?
Do you know the policies of Labor in depth either? Prolly not.


It's called getting off your arse and doing some reading, rather than sit and be seduced by the saccharine-coated policies both parties invent around election times :p
 

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Rebekkie said:
i'm just annoyed that my opinion doesn't matter. i live in a blue ribbon liberal seat - never have had a labor for any level of gov.

haven't decided which political party i follow but if i don't even know of any policies being presented by the liberal lot how am i supposed to know what they stand for?
http://www.liberal.org.au/info/docs/federalplatform.pdf

Is it their fault that the media doesn't report on it, or is it your fault for not doing the research?
 

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Rebekkie said:
i'm actually a tad offended. ok, no i don't know any political parties policies particularly 'in-depth' but i know more than the average voter (which probs means we are in a rather scary predicament). but seriously, the majority of information we are fed comes through the media which often has a political slant. where would you suggest i get this reading to find myself on the path of political enlightenment
Try the party websites. Obviously they're biased as well - you'll never get a completely independent view of policies - but at least there you can read them in their original form and without the positive/negative slant the media assigns them, and decide for yourself.
 

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Rebekkie said:
well, yes, anyone can read that but it's not enough to convince me to vote either way.
Why not? You'd rather vote on NIMBYist issues or porkbarrelling?
 

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Rebekkie said:
it's not about voting on the issue.

we can believe what we're told are the political ideologies of each party, but we don't know how they're going to act when it comes to crunch time. eg. state politics prior to today were an absolute shambles - we had privatisation movements from the labor gov (maybe not the entire party supported it but the points still there)

how should i decide who to vote for when political parties are not even following their own agendas?
You can make decisions based on the platforms a lot better than you can based on the wankery they go on about prior to elections.
 

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Rebekkie said:
well duh. but that's still not answering the question.
The question was "What do they stand for?"

I've provided a document which outlines what they stand for.
 

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HisNameIsChris said:
What's this anti-labor everything feeling I'm seeing here? Sure the NSW state government sucks and is corrupt but so far I the Federal government's doing better than Howard's one.
Pfft better than Howard? where was you before 2007?


p.s did you get a free laptop from Rudd yet?
 
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Rebekkie said:
question was 'how should i decide who to vote for when political parties are not even following their own agendas?'
Look at their records. Labor government has systematically sexual abused the state of NSW for the last 13 years, so I think it'd be fair to say "It's time for a change".

Liberal party has followed their platform fairly consistently, whether you agree or disagree with WorkChoices and various other policies, it fits with what they believe in. Only real major recent exception is power privatisation.
 

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Kwayera said:
Try the party websites. Obviously they're biased as well - you'll never get a completely independent view of policies - but at least there you can read them in their original form and without the positive/negative slant the media assigns them, and decide for yourself.
Yes. Instead of receiving diluted and occasionally reasoned reporting on policy you can read it in all its biased and partyhackish form! yay! :D
 
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Iron said:
Gee, I didnt realise he spoke out against the Islamic school
That just aint right
Well really, an Islamic school in the middle of nowhere where there's unlikely to be 1200 students as it was planned to hold that are Islamic - a public school would do better there. If you look at the demographics of Camden for example, there's only 3000 people there and most of them are Australian born with only 10% from non English speaking countries. Building a school for maybe 500 Islamic people (with, what, 100 of them school age) does not make sense. However, I do agree it may have been questionable in the other cases, especially considering his religion. (note I do not know the exact amounts of Islamic people and these are just estimates, someone may wish to correct me here)

In response to previous comments - the State Liberals aren't much better, but if you vote them in at least State Labor might get its act together and offer something worth voting them back in for. At the moment they have no reason to do any work - if they're going to get voted in anyway, why bother?

Those that poo-poo the Greens, Labor, Liberal, any party - try to have an open mind before instantly ignoring what someone else says. Sure, you can argue against it, but at least consider the reason it is right or wrong before simply stating it.

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They've been in government for a year now. What other than workchoices and symbolic gestures do you think they've done that's good?
Currently in the works is the creation of a national education system. It can't be done instantly or rushed, but it is well in the works, as you may see here.

This includes broadband for all high schools, computers for all students from 9-12, solid plans to bridge the gap of education between Aboriginal people and more - just scan through the document to see.

That's just one of the many things that your tax money is going to rather than making the rich people richer when they don't need the help. From what I can see, it's more than John Howard was doing for education at least. Just look at other budget documents to see what the Rudd Government's doing better than the Howard Government did.
 

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A centralised national education system? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this guy propose that back when he was minister for education?
Edit: When, except when money is spent on subsidizing hecs places (which go predominantly to those from affluent backgrounds) or hiring butlers for millionaire prime ministers, has taxpayers' money ever been spent on making the rich richer? (Hint: if your answer is 'tax cuts', you're wrong).
 
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Kwayera said:
Like what?
hmm lets see...

*greenhouse targets that will actually have an impact on Australia's contribution to climate change
*movement towards renewable electricity
*taking a much more progressive stance on the drug problem
*increased teacher salaries
*ban on developer donations
*commitment to proper public transport

the list goes on and on can be read here: http://www.nsw.greens.org.au/policies/policy-summary-pages

the greens introduce bills to support these kind of things into parliament often... greens MPs are incredibly active compared to those from the ALP/Liberals

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And to the guy who said that the liberals had policies and you just had to search for them (giving this link: http://www.liberal.org.au/info/docs/federalplatform.pdf)

That is not a list of policies - it is a philosophical statement about liberal values. Go on the NSW libs website, and there are NO policies whatsoever
 

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I think at the moment the Liberals' policy in NSW is to just not be Labor. Also serious lulz at all of the lefty/ALP hacks having a cry ITT.
 

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